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Not messing around any more.... going low volume
« on: October 01, 2016, 06:29:25 AM »
Just having fun on a submarine  ;D ;D







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Re: Not messing around any more.... going low volume
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2016, 06:52:18 AM »
Yeah, it's evolution baby!

What is the displacement on that board Rick?

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Re: Not messing around any more.... going low volume
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2016, 08:47:20 AM »
Walking on water!
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What's the width on that puppy?
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Re: Not messing around any more.... going low volume
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2016, 11:47:51 AM »
Plenty of incentive to keep paddling. ;)

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Re: Not messing around any more.... going low volume
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2016, 12:52:40 PM »
You'll be back with higher volume this winter.  ;)
It takes a quiver to do that.

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Re: Not messing around any more.... going low volume
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2016, 01:11:41 PM »
The trick is "DO NOT STOP PADDLING"....and sit in the line-up.
It's not overhead to me!
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Re: Not messing around any more.... going low volume
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2016, 01:19:50 PM »
Next thing you know, you'll be out competing on a nanoSUP out at Huntington Beach!
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Re: Not messing around any more.... going low volume
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2016, 01:49:32 PM »
Mini-Speeed?  Gnarly.

I can feel water splashing on my ankles sometimes on the 8.10.
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Re: Not messing around any more.... going low volume
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2016, 03:33:29 PM »
Length = 8'5
Width = 27 3/4"
Vol = 112 L

No need to wait for winter.... I'm back on a bigger board now.
It was just fun to see if I could do it at 230 lbs

But.... if I get a super clean day, where I can step onto the board in shallow water, I would love to surf a wave on it  :)

The bottom line is.... we can do more than we think.
Not that we should aspire to go stupid small.... but it's making me more comfortable on my daily drivers.


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Re: Not messing around any more.... going low volume
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2016, 09:13:37 PM »
Reminds me of the old navy saying, "Decks Awash".  ;)
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Re: Not messing around any more.... going low volume
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2016, 05:23:03 PM »
I'm no shaper, but I really like thinking about volume. Clearly width/length/shape play a big part of stability and performance, but finding that sweet spot of volume so you aren't on a barge but not a complete sinker (like Creek above) is a great feeling.  The sweet spot for me right now is a ratio of about 1.3 (litres/kg) for surfing.  I'm about 147 lbs (67 kg).  My board is 87 L.  At that ratio, my rails have a bit of sink to them, but I'm not sinking the board completely--I can navigate the lineup OK without killing myself.  I also find at that ratio, the feeling on a wave cranks up a bit performance-wise compared to higher volumes.

After a few purchases that resulted in over-foaming, my buddies and I have started using these ranges (ratios of 1.3-ish to 1.55-ish)--smaller for a bit more challenge/performance and bigger for more challenging conditions (of course adjusting width/length/shape as well to suit conditions, skill and preferences):

145 lbs: 85-101 L
155 lbs: 91-109 L
165 lbs: 97-116 L
175 lbs: 103-123 L
185 lbs: 109-130 L
195 lbs: 115-137 L
205 lbs: 121-144 L
215 lbs: 127-151 L
225 lbs: 133-158 L
235 lbs: 139-165 L
245 lbs: 144-172 L

My buddies and I are in that big sample size of low to upper intermediate skill range that surf average waves (knee to a bit overhead). I'm sure the advanced guys like going smaller and beginners might appreciate a bit more volume. Though if asked, I'll often tell people who are really getting into surfing not to buy like they are a beginner unless they want to buy & sell fairly soon when their beginner board starts feeling too big.

Curious what some of you think about these ranges for that low to upper intermediate skill range?  Think we're out to lunch?  Do they fit what you find yourself riding?
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Re: Not messing around any more.... going low volume
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2016, 08:21:18 PM »
Surfafrica -- I have been thinking about this a lot, and just commented on another thread about it.  BTW thanks for your comment regarding my new board!

I read from Erik at Paddlewoo blog that performance surfing really starts at 1.3 V/W.  I'm about 190 lbs/86 kg so that's why I got my new Popdart @ 115 L.  That puts me right in the range you describe.  My current board on which I'm very comfortable is 124 L, so not much of a step down.

Part of me wanted to go down to 104 which is 1.2 V/W.  This is where Creek and other good riders seem to be.  Below that and you're in the pro range.

The trade off seems clear: the lower the volume, the easier it is to bury the rail, which is at the heart of performance surfing.  But at some point, your balance gets worse and your wave count goes down. 

I have not demoed or owned enough boards to experience this, but it seems to that the effects of going down in volume are non-linear: up to a point it doesn't affect you negatively and then it does.   Or maybe it's gradual, I don't know

I like your survey on V/W ratio; maybe we should do one here on the zone and see how people's experiences have been as they go down in volume.




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Re: Not messing around any more.... going low volume
« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2016, 05:06:48 PM »
Last week Dave Duam had a bunch of Kings boards to demo in his van at SanO. Just for fun he had me try an 8'5 × 30  129 liter tomo style board. I gave it a go. It was really choppy and high frequency waves rolling through giving very little windows of opportunity to get to my feet. After fifty or so attempts, a good 20 minutes, I finally got to my feet. Very small semi-sweet spot. The entire board was well under water . I managed about 2 strokes and it shot out of the water like a rocket. After that floating around with Mr grey suit showing himself in the lineup,  I was done swimming :) At 240# I'm comfortably half sunk at around 140 liter range thank you....
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Re: Not messing around any more.... going low volume
« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2016, 05:13:16 PM »
I'm no shaper, but I really like thinking about volume. Clearly width/length/shape play a big part of stability and performance, but finding that sweet spot of volume so you aren't on a barge but not a complete sinker (like Creek above) is a great feeling.  The sweet spot for me right now is a ratio of about 1.3 (litres/kg) for surfing.  I'm about 147 lbs (67 kg).  My board is 87 L.  At that ratio, my rails have a bit of sink to them, but I'm not sinking the board completely--I can navigate the lineup OK without killing myself.  I also find at that ratio, the feeling on a wave cranks up a bit performance-wise compared to higher volumes.

After a few purchases that resulted in over-foaming, my buddies and I have started using these ranges (ratios of 1.3-ish to 1.55-ish)--smaller for a bit more challenge/performance and bigger for more challenging conditions (of course adjusting width/length/shape as well to suit conditions, skill and preferences):

145 lbs: 85-101 L
155 lbs: 91-109 L
165 lbs: 97-116 L
175 lbs: 103-123 L
185 lbs: 109-130 L
195 lbs: 115-137 L
205 lbs: 121-144 L
215 lbs: 127-151 L
225 lbs: 133-158 L


Curious what some of you think about these ranges for that low to upper intermediate skill range?  Think we're out to lunch?  Do they fit what you find yourself riding?


I was 220 LBS but ride a 106L board....im down to 205 now and it seems more stable. I'm looking to go down sub 100L soon hopefully for glassy days.
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Re: Not messing around any more.... going low volume
« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2016, 05:32:23 PM »
I don't feel that fat, but I am certainly pushing 230 wet with all my stuff on these days.

  I originally planned to work my way down to something like 8.5@32, at least as a calm day board, because that is what the consensus around here said would give a reasonable short board experience.

At my late age entry into the sport, laziness, etc. etc. I think I will call it quits in the "short and low volume race" at the Sunova Flow 8.7@30.25.  I can actually balance and stand on it surprisingly well with 121L.  It has good secondary stability and stringer stability, and a kind of predictable "saucer" rotation when hit by chop.

  I have had it out five times, but only two reasonably calm days.  The other three days were choppy and windy, so there was some punishment on those days, but I'm pretty sure that I can deal with the Flow on average type days and stand up on it, or at least incorporate it into my geezer kook palette of kneesing, standing, and prone-ing.  It needs new muscle twitches, because I have some kinks and soreness after taking it out.  However, it wouldn't be a challenge board if it weren't a challenge.

It's the first board that is so hard to knee paddle, there is actually an incentive to stand up on it to get some rest.

The guys who have "been there and done that" don't really care that much about going short, but since I have never "been there and done that", I don't mind giving it a whirl.

I think that chart is a pretty good guideline at the skill level mentioned, but I think that with some experience, users could crave to go a bit lower.
« Last Edit: October 10, 2016, 05:33:58 PM by SUPcheat »
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Sunova Speeed 8'10"x29.12@131L
Sunova Flow 8'7"x30.25"@121L
Carbon 9.3x32@163L Hammer
Me: 6'1"@230 lbs 68 years old

 


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