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Re: Low Volume Longboard SUP (dreaming one up)
« Reply #45 on: January 13, 2017, 02:32:08 PM »
Any ride reports yet?   8)

Nope. It'll be a while as I work through my shoulder injury recovery. I'm hoping for March.
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Re: Low Volume Longboard SUP (dreaming one up)
« Reply #46 on: February 19, 2017, 10:27:44 AM »
I'm still 2 weeks from picking mine up, but a report has come in on this shape.  The full carbon on the right is 8'8 x 25, 86 L.  It comes in at 9 lbs (9 lbs...wtf!).  Mine is 8'10 x 26.5, 84 L @ 12.75 lbs.

Here's a report from the owner of the carbon:

"The light weight of this board makes it feel like there is hardly any swing weight and it just lets you surf it quicker with faster reaction. I’m not a noserider guy so I can appreciate this. Something interesting I've found is that more liters does not give me more stability. I rode another board same shape/brand that was 9' and about 8-10 more liters and I felt a little less stable than mine since mine settles more in the water. Paddling through the white water was a breeze and would punch right under or over without kicking back at me. Good amount of tail rocker really allows you to step back and crank the board around quickly. I could surf this thing aggressively and have all the confidence. The performance was unreal and completely shocked me. I can confidently say that I will ride this board easily as much as I ride my shorter SUPs."

I was curious if there was any downside to the full carbon being too stiff (maybe chatter?).  Here's what he said:

"Downside to carbon, I don't know. I think I need more time on my boards to know better but for now, I don't see any. Obviously flex must be important but I just don't feel the difference. The 2nd day I was out it was not even semi-glassy. There was a little bit of chop but not much and it seemed just as smooth as any other board would, actually this board seemed smoother but I think that's due to the natural shape of this board."

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Re: Low Volume Longboard SUP (dreaming one up)
« Reply #47 on: March 22, 2017, 03:54:36 PM »
Board:  Kronos Longboard - 8'10 x 26.5, 84 L, 13 lbs
Fins: 3D Fins 2 + 1 - 6.25" center, 4.42" sides
Rider: 43, 5'7, 148 lbs, intermediate

Well, it's been a long time coming, but I finally got on my new longboard.  We just got back from a great 10-day trip in Mexico. We primarily surfed a long mellow left point break, but also had some sessions on a faster beach break and a meatier right sand bar.  We didn't bring our GoPros out, but my friend's wife managed to capture a few pics.

When conditions were above chest high on the left point break, I took out my 7'5, but for a couple of sessions, it dropped to knee to chest.  In those smaller conditions, the longboard turned what would have been forgetful sessions into an absolute blast. It was so much fun gliding down the line and walking on the deck (as best as my limited skill set would allow me to).

I also took it out for one session in some bigger conditions on a right sand bar. The waves were probably head high to slightly overhead and were thick and rolled in nicely. They had quite a bit of volume and a big open faces (not steep). Surfing the longboard on it felt like snowboarding on a big open blue corduroy run. In my mind, I was on the face of Waimea on a 9-foot gun!

The volume of the longboard (84 L) worked well for me.  The tail sank and my feet were getting wet, but the nose sat nicely out of the water. There is something to be said for having some added stability with water over the rails.  It think we picked the right width too. It wasn't couch comfortable (ie my legs were working), but I could stand on it without paddling and talk with my buddies in the lineup without problems. With a couple of strokes, I was off and gliding to make a go for a wave.

I think this longboard is the right level of stability vs surfability for my skill-level.  On the wave, it felt like a surfboard vs that bargy feel you can sometimes get on SUPs. Those thin rails are fun fun fun.  The rocker and outline on it feels right. It has a nice glide, trims well, and can easily be turned with a slight step to the tail.

The construction felt really solid too--harder than my other customs. This one has a different construction than my other Kronos. The glassing schedule is 6/6 on top and 6 on the bottom with an aramid vector net and carbon strip layer. It was vacuum bagged. It looks even cooler in person than in the pics. It has a nice feel to it in the hand and standing on it out in the water. It has a bit more weight to it than my smaller boards, but for it's size/shape, it feels plenty light. 

I put Hexatration on it.  On it's own, it wasn't quite grippy enough with bare feet for me so I put a very light skiff of base coat wax over the Hex and it felt pretty good. A couple of other guys were using full wax on their boards, and in the Mexican heat, they had a hard time keeping wax under their feet in standing position (we don't have to worry about that up here at our local breaks!). The Hex had no issues there--the light base coat of wax lasted on it all week and the grip of Hex itself was pretty good on its own.  The Hex was a bit rough on my belly when I pulled myself up on it.  I think up here at our local breaks, it'll be great with my wetsuit and booties. I still think FCS dimple pad in the standing position is my favorite setup though for grip & comfort. I will likely throw Hex down between the tail pad and center dimple pad on my other boards though.
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Re: Low Volume Longboard SUP (dreaming one up)
« Reply #48 on: March 22, 2017, 04:48:09 PM »
great looking board and waves...so envious your entire quiver doesnt have a 3rd digit for volume  :o :o

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Re: Low Volume Longboard SUP (dreaming one up)
« Reply #49 on: March 22, 2017, 05:14:23 PM »
Sounds like it worked for you. And your shoulder is better! Great news..
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Re: Low Volume Longboard SUP (dreaming one up)
« Reply #50 on: March 24, 2017, 07:18:13 AM »
Hey SA, nice stick!
Always awesome when the new board is as good as you hoped!

I agree that FCS Dimple Pad is the best.... it's so light that I am curious why you don't also use it between the standing pad and tailpad... probably a few ounces.

Can't wait to see some LB vids.

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Re: Low Volume Longboard SUP (dreaming one up)
« Reply #51 on: March 24, 2017, 08:00:10 AM »
Great looking board and great write up :-)
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Re: Low Volume Longboard SUP (dreaming one up)
« Reply #52 on: March 24, 2017, 08:14:45 AM »
From another thread:
BTW, that was a nice review with a nice shot of the underside of your new Kronos in the link you provided. Do you have a link to where you got your new Kronos from?

He doesn't have a website.  I "met" him on Instagram.  He's a great guy and LOVES board design.  He experiments with shapes and construction which I really appreciate.  He's based in San Diego.

https://www.instagram.com/kronos_surf/
« Last Edit: March 24, 2017, 08:45:05 AM by surfafrica »
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Re: Low Volume Longboard SUP (dreaming one up)
« Reply #53 on: March 24, 2017, 08:32:37 AM »
I like a little wax on the hexatraction too. Lasts forever. Then again, I wax EVA pads for the same reason--a little more stick and it doesn't move around under your feet.

Great looking board. I doubt I'd be happy with that low a volume, but you've got me thinking. Mr. Foote is a master of the dropped rail. A little more volume in the middle to keep my ankles dry, but thinned down from what the production 10'4" Triton is, then dropped to a tight 50/50 and maybe an inch narrower.

OK, gotta do that.
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Re: Low Volume Longboard SUP (dreaming one up)
« Reply #54 on: March 24, 2017, 08:36:35 AM »
I agree that FCS Dimple Pad is the best.... it's so light that I am curious why you don't also use it between the standing pad and tailpad... probably a few ounces.

Long answer: At first I was going to go with my usual grip setup on the longboard (tail pad, dimple pad center, and wax everywhere else). Then I got 2 packs of Hexatraction for Christmas (may have been due to some heavy hinting by me after reading the Hexatraction thread here).  At that point, the idea was to still put on the tail and center dimple pad and then just use the Hex everywhere else.  But then when I picked up the board, it looked so nice with the full white deck (it looks cooler in person than in the pics--the white kevlar mesh is subtle but looks cool).  I thought I'd maintain the "pureness" of the deck and go with full Hex.  Add to that that I only have enough dimple pad left for one more board and I think I want to get a traditional shortboard shape within a year (my 7'5 Cornice shape has been a bit of a gateway drug for me). At the end of the day, I'm happy I went full Hex on this one. I really appreciate the clean look on this longboard and the traction worked well in the tropics with just a tiny bit of base coat wax over the Hex.  I'm guessing when I'm in my wetsuit and booties (majority of the time I surf), it'll be great.

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Re: Low Volume Longboard SUP (dreaming one up)
« Reply #55 on: March 24, 2017, 08:53:08 AM »
From another thread:
BTW, that was a nice review with a nice shot of the underside of your new Kronos in the link you provided. Do you have a link to where you got your new Kronos from?

He doesn't have a website.  I "met" him on Instagram.  He's a great guy and LOVES board design.  He experiments with shapes and construction which I really appreciate.  He's based in San Diego.

https://www.instagram.com/kronos_surf/

Thanks for the info. I've filed it for future reference.
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Re: Low Volume Longboard SUP (dreaming one up)
« Reply #56 on: March 24, 2017, 11:51:11 AM »
You know it's all relative.  What is low volume for you is still appropriate for your weight and size. The board turned out fantastic, and if it surfs good, all the better.  Great thread!

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Re: Low Volume Longboard SUP (dreaming one up)
« Reply #57 on: March 24, 2017, 12:29:40 PM »
You know it's all relative.  What is low volume for you is still appropriate for your weight and size. The board turned out fantastic, and if it surfs good, all the better.  Great thread!

Thanks.

And ya, I agree.  It's all relative and my low weight makes the volumes appear lower than they really are. At 148 lbs (67 kg), the v/w ratio of this board for me is 84L/67kg = 1.25.  So for bigger guys, this board would translate to:

165 lbs - 93 L
185 lbs - 105 L
205 lbs - 116 L
225 lbs - 127 L

At this ratio, my tail sinks, the rails are submerged and my feet are just starting to get wet.  My ankles a generally are above water and my nose sits nicely up and out of the water without paddling.

I doubt I'd be happy with that low a volume, but you've got me thinking. Mr. Foote is a master of the dropped rail. A little more volume in the middle to keep my ankles dry, but thinned down from what the production 10'4" Triton is, then dropped to a tight 50/50 and maybe an inch narrower.

OK, gotta do that.

Oh man, ya, a lower volume (rider relative) custom Triton with step rails would be killer!

Now I can't resist posting that remix I made of you last year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESCL8XnMa4g

...and Creek's:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_xckyMp5Z4
« Last Edit: March 24, 2017, 12:32:56 PM by surfafrica »
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Re: Low Volume Longboard SUP (dreaming one up)
« Reply #58 on: March 24, 2017, 12:50:08 PM »
...It's all relative and my low weight makes the volumes appear lower than they really are. At 148 lbs (67 kg), the v/w ratio of this board for me is 84L/67kg = 1.25.  So for bigger guys, this board would translate to:

205 lbs - 116 L

At this ratio, my tail sinks, the rails are submerged and my feet are just starting to get wet.  My ankles a generally are above water and my nose sits nicely up and out of the water without paddling.

Interesting observation SA, I have similar results at 206lbs on my 9'6", 117 L B&B Machine.  BTW, I find it easier to pivot turn into a wave than my chunky 10 footer.

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Re: Low Volume Longboard SUP (dreaming one up)
« Reply #59 on: March 24, 2017, 02:27:41 PM »
What a sexy shape. A new board and a surf trip to break it in, how cool is that!

I think you will have a lot of fun playing with different fins. Definitely try it out as a quad. I've got a 9x28, similar shape that goes best with that set up.

 


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