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Upwind advice
« on: August 18, 2016, 12:10:02 PM »
Hi, I just had to paddle 2 miles to a beach with the wind and chop coming from 30 or 45 degrees.  Probably the least enjoyable paddle I have had.  Any advice on how to deal with this, is it best to take the pain and mostly paddle on one side, or  head straight upwind then across the chop at 90 degrees to get in?  Thanks.

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Re: Upwind advice
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2016, 12:14:25 PM »
I like to pick a course that is either straight into the wind or downwind.

This video has some helpful tips:
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Re: Upwind advice
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2016, 01:59:15 PM »
We just had a similar scenario play out a couple of days ago.  A group of us paddled to a bay a couple of miles away which was kinda on a DW and side angle.  On the way back it was upwind and to the side at probs 10 kts or so with gusts maybe at 12 in ocean slop and reflected chop.  Fairly messy conditions overall.

I took a direct oblique route paddling about 98% on one side - and this was fine.  My wife and others took a longer upwind at 80% then crosswind at 100% approach.  Personally the more direct route is better for me because it is the shortest distance and I paddle in those conditions all the time.  But basically it was 3 votes upwind then crosswind - and only 1 oblique direct.  Every person has their own preference of what works best for them.  Some of the paddlers were sore the next day - but they still liked getting out on the water.   :)
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Re: Upwind advice
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2016, 03:01:16 PM »
Thanks for the replies.  I took the direct route, hard work but I got there.  Will try the suggestions in the video, anything that helps get a few strokes in on the other side - really takes the strain off the over-worked side.

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Re: Upwind advice
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2016, 03:21:21 PM »
One thing that's not been mentioned.. Move slightly more forward on the board..

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Re: Upwind advice
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2016, 05:05:19 PM »
One thing that's not been mentioned.. Move slightly more forward on the board..

Definitely good advice here, and going directly into the wind as much as possible, so you get a work out on both sides. If not possible, standing forward can really help especially if you have a board with sides that sit out of the water a lot (like a SB Ace). By standing forward of the centre, the wind will push the back of the board downwind, helping you to stay on course. I have found that this really works well, and you can experiment on how far forward you can stand to make this work. On my SIC Bullet 14 V1 TWC, the deck pad stretches way forward and it is possible to stand 18" / 45cm in front of the handle..
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Re: Upwind advice
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2016, 07:06:11 PM »
You cannot be serious! Can't wait to try standing in front of the handle in the constant quartering winds here on Cape Cod. I usually end up paddling directly into the wind for a while and turning and repeating.

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Re: Upwind advice
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2016, 10:42:49 PM »
And don't forget to foot steer. I find it most effective for me.
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Re: Upwind advice
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2016, 02:51:37 AM »
The other thing to consider and it has surved me well in a number of races id looking at what the water and wind is doing and how to maximise or minimise its effect. we're is it the least windy, are there any sheltered areas you can use even if it's a longer route and what are the tides doing, is there any tide or current running and in what direction and were, do you need to find were the least current is or were you can use it to your adavantage. You need to consider all these things to calculate what is going to be the most  efficient route up wind.

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Re: Upwind advice
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2016, 10:20:13 AM »
I do both, straight upwind and some crosswind......just to relieve paddling one side. I hate paddling sidewinds on one side.....hate it!

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Re: Upwind advice
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2016, 10:59:30 AM »
I do both, straight upwind and some crosswind......just to relieve paddling one side. I hate paddling sidewinds on one side.....hate it!

This. I got hit with a sidewind on a 4 day trip recently and went upwind multiple times to relieve paddling on one side. It's brutal when you are paddling on one side for hours at a time.

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Re: Upwind advice
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2016, 10:41:21 PM »
None of this really helps me when the wind is to my side. For this reason, I always try to paddle upwind and then downwind. I'll change directions when I can. However, if safety (or getting home) dictates otherwise, I'll paddle standing up sidewind only when absolutely necessary, but every single time, it will destroy my shoulders... and put me out of commission the next day or two with no wish for paddling.

Moving forward on my new Sprint, or the new Allstar didn't make an ounce of difference for me. Banking my board seems to actually catch more wind. Angling my paddle shaft to sweep a bit works, but then it throws my back out of whack. Angling the blade a little actually works for me, but then I am back to paddling only on one side. Making a super short stroke, and boosting strokes per minute makes the most difference to me… but I am not a machine. A rudder makes ALL THE DIFFERENCE, and takes away the pain from paddling only on one side.

Perhaps the pain of paddling with side wind is greatly amplified with smaller and lighter paddlers.
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Re: Upwind advice
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2016, 11:20:47 PM »
Man - side chop from the side kills my legs and I am only dealing with teeny lake swells. I'm still getting used to the 26" wide board - as far as heavy  I'm plenty heavy and it didn't help lol.  Maybe it's worse with small/high frequency waves only 2 feet peak to peak.....regardless I had to paddle upwind mostly head on and turn back down to get to shore or I was going in the drink - and it's already getting pretty chilly in the lakes.

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Re: Upwind advice
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2016, 01:46:58 AM »
C'est la vie!

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Re: Upwind advice
« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2016, 10:05:13 AM »
Actually have found that paddling in those conditions does help a lot in the end.  You kinda get used to it.
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