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The Economy of Sex
« on: May 29, 2016, 12:33:57 PM »
There are very few human theories close enough to ‘right’ to be labelled correct.  Maybe 5.  This is one of them:

For 3.8 Billion years “Not a single one of our ancestors died in infancy. They all reached adulthood, and every single one was capable of finding at least one heterosexual partner and of successful copulation. Not a single one of our ancestors was felled by an enemy, or by a virus, or by a misjudged footstep on a cliff edge, before bringing at least one child into the world. Thousands of our ancestors’ contemporaries fail in all these respects, but not a single solitary one of our ancestors failed in any of them.” - Dawkins

The following perspective by Wendy Walsh gives a fresh, alarming insight into the evolutionary psychology of men and woman in Western society.  It was originally delivered to a group of Google employees for consideration on life choices.

Time will tell what survives the next 100, much less 100,000 years and what goes extinct.   This is a long video but worth listening to in the background when you have some time.  Enjoy  ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oncFR5XLydE#t=117
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« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2016, 06:32:19 PM »
Good stuff. I've heard that expressed different ways over the years, but I remember exactly when that first occured to me.  I was thirteen years old, sitting in the M.I.T. library (I had a geek pass), reading about evolution, and I realized that I was the current culmination of a line that had survived everything, all the way back to the first bit of protoplasm capable of reproducing. Not just human ancestors, but every ancestor.  Each of us that lives today killed, ate, escaped, outwitted, and managed to reproduce when trillions of other beings did not, all the way back to a single cell. And while it's remotely possible that life could have sprung forth in various ways on this planet, it's extremely likely given the base level complexity of the coding that the replication of organisms comes from a single occurance of DNA. So everything that lives is not only the biggest badass of their particular niche, but we are all related. We all come from one place. Everything that reproduces. Every microorganism, every elephant, blue whale, hummingbird, bit of algae, blade of grass. They are all us and we are all them.

So yeah, kind of weird.

I'll wartch the video, but right now I got to go watch the end of the Monaco Grand Prix. Diane is out of town on a girl trip, so no caviar and champagne this year. Big glass of milk and some fried chicken from safeway.  So pretty much the same thing.

Oh, and for theories, I'm pretty comfortable with special relativity, and Big Bang kind of works.  I find Newtons laws to be useful approximations, and quantum mechanics is an ugly mess. I'm not getting five. What would those be?
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« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2016, 09:30:09 PM »
Interesting video. I'm going to have to find the time for the whole thing as well.

Funny....we were the same age. I was 13 when I recognized the oneness while studying evolution, though not in the MIT library, I was in my bedroom.  I became an agnostic in the same stream of consciousness. I distinctly remember being both awe struck and scared by the understanding. Also made me feel a bit outcast as religious as my surroundings were.
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« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2016, 09:54:52 PM »
Different reaction, I thought "My god, I rock. I am the top of the heap (currently). Trillions of beings and organisms died so I can be here. I am a golden GOD." Okay, I probably stole that last bit from "Almost Famous", but it was more or less like that.

I did watch the video, except for the Q&A at the end. Being Googlers, like any group of ambitious fast company folks they were crafting their questions to be the alpha questioner.  As soon as someone says "so, like, I was thinking, like, of the marginal uility?<rising interrogative california dialect glitch>  I have to scramble for the pause button.

Interesting stuff though. In the long term I don't think the dysfunction of american social sexuality will matter much, I expect one or more of the coming singularities to take care of all that old biological stuff, for better or worse.  More seriously, the entire world is probably headed rapidly towards substantial abundance and the great social upheaval that probably causes. When everyone on the planet makes at least a couple of hundred bucks a year, children become economically unsound.
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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2016, 05:59:43 AM »
Of course that skin mite crawling into a hair follicle on your butt is also the pinnacle of the same line, so there's that. And the true badasses are the single cell animals that reproduce by division--each one you look at is the actual, original guy. That's him, at least four billion years old.
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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2016, 07:26:03 AM »
Thanks for sharing I enjoyed watching this.  I struggled to stay with the first introduction part and once she got to her point I was interested as what she says makes sense to me.

What I heard her say is: 
Men and women are happier in a committed monogamous relationship. 
Our media full of sex sex sex is poisoning our view of relationship and making it harder for us to have satisfying sex lives.
And the requirements that create a great relationship are friendship and emotional intimacy. 
Also we are designed to live surrounded by nature in a tribe, we feel safe and nurtured living this way.
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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2016, 09:35:08 AM »
Pornography is probably an effective way to limit birth rate, not just because it leaves out one partner, but because it's fast food sex and screws with the economy. The ONLY biological reason for sexual pleasure is reproduction. It's a very good thing that the economy gets screwed with by social change and increased access to resources, or the malthusian nightmare would be real. Not so sure about the fast food alteration, it just desensitizes.
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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2016, 01:00:37 PM »
Summarizing the first 20 minutes:  Woman have risen in social and economic status, getting great jobs, giving away sex for free, waiting to have kids and find their knight in shining armor, the George Clooney effect, but at the age of 35 they cannot find their knight because he is at home playing with his . . . . . Xbox in his parents basement.  No knight, no kids, fertility window closes all a result of an “educated” social agenda.

6:30 Rise of Woman = High Supply Sexual Economy vs. Disadvantage Woman = High Priced Sex.  If you want to find where woman’s sexuality is held in highest regard go to the most repressive societies aka the Middle East.

8:35 Powerful Woman = Cheap Sex: As woman rise in social and economic status they start to give sex away like water since it is no longer their most prized resource.

10:00: 3 Things Happen to Men in High Supply Sexual Economy: 1) Lose Ambition 2) Lose Ability to Commit 3) Good guys become players.

15:20 Woman are Losing freedom to be Mothers: “Invitro success has not improved.  $13,500 will get you a 15% chance of success.  You think autism was a big diagnosis wait until you see a classroom full of thawed out eggs “. . . 20% of woman are losing their chances to be mothers from the result of believing the marketing hype of the fertility industry. 

16:40 What is the peak of female fertility?  20 Years old (young).  Fertility takes a big drop to 30 and then falls off a cliff at 35.
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Re: The Economy of Sex
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2016, 01:05:47 PM »
16:40 What is the peak of female fertility?  20 Years old (young).  Fertility takes a big drop to 30 and then falls off a cliff at 35.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oncFR5XLydE&feature=youtu.be&t=999

This fact alone combined with 3.8 Billion years of refined visual acuity in the male hominid is enough to explain the conscious, or subconscious, bias in the Hot Chicks on Stand Up Paddle Boards thread.
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Re: The Economy of Sex
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2016, 01:36:11 PM »
I would like to see Dr. Wendy's plastic surgery bills. 

High sex supply?  I think those million of years of evolution include behaviors to keep it a seller's market as much as possible.
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« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2016, 02:20:22 PM »
Yeah, she's a well-preserved 54, but a tuck here and there maintains the marginal value of personal sexual economy. I know you're kind of joking, but social evolution happens quickly. A million years ago homo sapiens didn't exist. figure 200,000 years for recognizable humans, and 20,000 for recognizable societies.
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« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2016, 03:12:33 PM »
Pornography is probably an effective way to limit birth rate...
If pornography limits the birth rate, this "How to Flirt in Klingon" lesson could pretty much eliminate conception entirely:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NihmwMWEdPc



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« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2016, 03:55:02 PM »
There is almost no doubt that if you learn to speak Klingon, that the line stretching back 4 billion years culminating in you will briskly end. That's too bad, but for the breed to stay strong, some must fall by the wayside. This also includes all the fialure to launch guys and hopefully most of the girls/women who use "like" as if it were a comma and end each sentance is if they were asking for confirmation.
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« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2016, 07:59:58 PM »
Bill, some guys who wear Captain Kirk shirts openly still manage to breed pretty well! I even wear mine to work occasionally.
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« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2016, 09:02:35 PM »
Man...
I came here to learn how to save some cash.

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