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Re: Jimmy Lewis Sidewinder - will it, won't it DW
« Reply #75 on: June 27, 2016, 08:53:23 AM »
From our testing the release is clean off the tail and there is a fairly relaxed sweet spot.   Do bear in mind I am talking about people of varying weights here.

All testing we have done is in real time/not computer generated etc.    I've got a lifetime of experience in developing software and testing modules so whilst it does not directly relate to Hydro dynamics it does give you a kind of clean logic to work with no matter how you extract those figures.

Something Jimmy said to me way back was to imagine that there was a perfect shape and undeniable rules that could be applied.    All boards would be perfect.

Another thing I've noticed on the JL SW is how the water very very quickly you can monetise those tiniest of ripples into positive momentum - and i mean small.
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Re: Jimmy Lewis Sidewinder - will it, won't it DW
« Reply #76 on: June 27, 2016, 09:50:10 AM »
Referring to a comment about splashing nose syndrome - you can ride this board slightly back so the nose rides as bit higher and reduce splash.  The tail is very buoyant so doesn't begin to drag even for me at 95kg.   We've been putting it up against the UBoat as well which has a piercing bow and results were interesting.

Where do you stand with your heels exactly?
I mean that the board works best with the heels at the position at the shark on the handle (92 kg).

.... and whilst that might avoid the nose splash, won't that then change the trim of the board negatively and then just move the drag problem behind you where you can't see it ?

One of the things I was taught with aero (but it might not apply to hydro) dynamics is that its better to have a bluff body problem in front (and then tidy up the flow behind it) then to have a clean fluid flow but then finish with some feature that leaves the flow turbulent with nothing left to tidy it up.

One very big difference between aero and hydro dynamics is 'surface tension' .....

You can't really ampere them in any way. Like compring the north pole to my Nans slippers :D
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Re: Jimmy Lewis Sidewinder - will it, won't it DW
« Reply #77 on: June 27, 2016, 03:14:42 PM »
Folks - social media is the WRONG platform for all of that talk..

It's just bitter & twisted and it owns you!

Try and survive without FB and report back  ;D

Hmm, some deleted comments now. What did I miss ?

Are you reading something else UKRivers? Where did that come from....must have missed something. I'd say the 2016 AS has good primary and exceptional secondary stability. It ain't like the one you used to have a few years back. But that's my opinion of course.

It seems this comment was deleted from ukgm's post back a few pages -

"Anti SB - has underlying reasons."

Care to elaborate ukgm?

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Re: Jimmy Lewis Sidewinder - will it, won't it DW
« Reply #78 on: June 27, 2016, 11:43:09 PM »
Pace out a comfy stroke rhythm.    Don't go hell for leather as it tends to tip you back and forth.   Focus on a good technique with a very perfect catch as possible.

Keep your eyes on the nose of the board at this point and just keep rolling along.  We're not trying to win a race here.
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The board will throw spray off those as the steeper edges of it touch water, BUT, if you come back an inch and drop your weight just a fraction to the back foot you will notice the spray hugely reduce and the board will peel along more freely.

Thanks.
Less spray means good glide?
I tried different positions in combination with maximum speed. Too far forward or too far back gets a somewhat lesser max. speed noticeable.
It was best with the heel at the shark on the handle.
Nevertheless, I interested in the opinion of the experts ;-)

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Re: Jimmy Lewis Sidewinder - will it, won't it DW
« Reply #79 on: June 28, 2016, 12:33:01 AM »
Folks - social media is the WRONG platform for all of that talk..

It's just bitter & twisted and it owns you!

Try and survive without FB and report back  ;D



Hmm, some deleted comments now. What did I miss ?

Are you reading something else UKRivers? Where did that come from....must have missed something. I'd say the 2016 AS has good primary and exceptional secondary stability. It ain't like the one you used to have a few years back. But that's my opinion of course.

It seems this comment was deleted from ukgm's post back a few pages -

"Anti SB - has underlying reasons."

Care to elaborate ukgm?

I'm not sure if that comment is directed at me but I personally don't know where that has come from. I didn't write that in my own post responses (did someone drop that into the shaded box of mine ?) and that's certainly not my own stance. I'm not anti SB at all - I have many friends on their UK team and wasn't ruling out considering applying to be on their team at some point in the future if I felt I was good enough or could contribute.

If I am being accused of anything (or if someone else is), please air what you know. I personally have nothing to hide (and have no conflicts of interest I have not already disclosed in my signature).
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Re: Jimmy Lewis Sidewinder - will it, won't it DW
« Reply #80 on: June 28, 2016, 09:01:01 AM »
I think there is a lot of Starby/Allstar bashing regardless because you see the dammed things all the time on social media or in every mag. You get sick of it. Plus the price of the carbon is ridiculous....as with some other brands. the more a brand is in your face and the more it's Ambassadors push it in your face the more you turn off.....well I do.

Anti SB - has underlying reasons
I agree - there is an anti SB thing going on. However, I bizarrely have heard offline criticism from people that do not have a conflict of interest and its also interesting that many of the current UK team are actually opting to use different/older/discontinued boards still rather than that board.

Maybe UKRS dropped this in to your quoted post.
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Re: Jimmy Lewis Sidewinder - will it, won't it DW
« Reply #81 on: June 28, 2016, 09:02:07 AM »
Folks - social media is the WRONG platform for all of that talk..

It's just bitter & twisted and it owns you!

Try and survive without FB and report back  ;D

Then we read this.
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Re: Jimmy Lewis Sidewinder - will it, won't it DW
« Reply #82 on: June 28, 2016, 09:08:05 AM »
Folks - social media is the WRONG platform for all of that talk..

It's just bitter & twisted and it owns you!

Try and survive without FB and report back  ;D

Hmm, some deleted comments now. What did I miss ?

And this.

We had nothing to do with the postings.  Clarifications might help so others can better understand the context of the statements and questions you and UKRS made.  There seems to be a disconnect left to hang.
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Re: Jimmy Lewis Sidewinder - will it, won't it DW
« Reply #83 on: June 28, 2016, 09:22:01 AM »
All a bit weird.... :o

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Re: Jimmy Lewis Sidewinder - will it, won't it DW
« Reply #84 on: June 28, 2016, 09:25:04 AM »
Why is the original post being blurred under all this confused conversation.  Very off putting for anyone looking to gain insight!
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Re: Jimmy Lewis Sidewinder - will it, won't it DW
« Reply #85 on: June 28, 2016, 09:43:09 AM »
Threaddrift seems to happen from time to time.  Best to just roll with it.  Sometimes when you tell people what to do -> they actual do the opposite.  Odd - but it does seem to happen.  If people want to keep on discussing the original topic they will.  Otherwise it goes off into threaddrift oblivion until people get bored or disinterested.  Seems that way anyways.  Can be off putting - but it is what it is.
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Re: Jimmy Lewis Sidewinder - will it, won't it DW
« Reply #86 on: June 28, 2016, 10:47:20 AM »
I think there is a lot of Starby/Allstar bashing regardless because you see the dammed things all the time on social media or in every mag. You get sick of it. Plus the price of the carbon is ridiculous....as with some other brands. the more a brand is in your face and the more it's Ambassadors push it in your face the more you turn off.....well I do.

Anti SB - has underlying reasons
I agree - there is an anti SB thing going on. However, I bizarrely have heard offline criticism from people that do not have a conflict of interest and its also interesting that many of the current UK team are actually opting to use different/older/discontinued boards still rather than that board.

Maybe UKRS dropped this in to your quoted post.

That's more likely. I certainly wouldn't have said that (I did say the bit about many of the UK teams opting to use alternative boards to the AS though). By the time I saw the UKRS weird response, the content above it had been deleted (hence why I asked what was then going on as i hadn't seen anything).

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Re: Jimmy Lewis Sidewinder - will it, won't it DW
« Reply #87 on: June 28, 2016, 10:49:46 AM »
Why is the original post being blurred under all this confused conversation.  Very off putting for anyone looking to gain insight!

Agreed.

So in summary, I must get round to testing the JL board and doing some stats on it. I'll add it to my list of boards I must test.

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Re: Jimmy Lewis Sidewinder - will it, won't it DW
« Reply #88 on: June 28, 2016, 11:15:12 AM »
Why is the original post being blurred under all this confused conversation.  Very off putting for anyone looking to gain insight!

Agreed.

So in summary, I must get round to testing the JL board and doing some stats on it. I'll add it to my list of boards I must test.

Think UKRivers was tripping.....nuff said ;D

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Re: Jimmy Lewis Sidewinder - will it, won't it DW
« Reply #89 on: June 28, 2016, 02:17:45 PM »
I think there is a lot of Starby/Allstar bashing regardless because you see the dammed things all the time on social media or in every mag. You get sick of it. Plus the price of the carbon is ridiculous....as with some other brands. the more a brand is in your face and the more it's Ambassadors push it in your face the more you turn off.....well I do.

Anti SB - has underlying reasons
I agree - there is an anti SB thing going on. However, I bizarrely have heard offline criticism from people that do not have a conflict of interest and its also interesting that many of the current UK team are actually opting to use different/older/discontinued boards still rather than that board.

Maybe UKRS dropped this in to your quoted post.

Oops - does look like a quote error from me.

I'm anti SB because they constantly change thier products which suggests the don't have good r&d or they have planned marketing strategies with only their own interest at heart.
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