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what do you think of
« on: August 27, 2015, 01:35:56 PM »
the old bumpersticker  that  said  " leashes  killed surfing"
crap or  not
 I remember  breaking  early leases and swimming in all the time,  I remember  grabbing my board like bulldozing a calf in a  rodeo when ever wiping out.  Can't say  i really miss either   but I still grab my board and paddle when ever I wipe out.
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Re: what do you think of
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2015, 01:47:46 PM »
Lots of negatives when leashes were first introduced.

How about kook cord.
Or  bungie cords used as leashes in the beginning.

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Re: what do you think of
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2015, 03:41:21 PM »
Nah, Gidget killed surfing...as it was.

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Re: what do you think of
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2015, 04:05:21 PM »
I prefer the bumper sticker "Surfing ruined my life".
It takes a quiver to do that.

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Re: what do you think of
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2015, 04:12:28 PM »
Commercialism killed surfing.  It was so much more pure and fun before the big money came in. 
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Re: what do you think of
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2015, 05:12:29 PM »
Wait!.....surfing is dead? I didn't even send condolences.

I understand what you mean but whenever I hear stuff like that I can't help but think how much they would have hated SUP. Same folks, same story, do it my way or you aren't really doing it. I don't concern myself much with what anyone with that attitude thinks about anything.

Think of this....by that criteria Kelly Slater doesn't surf.

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Re: what do you think of
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2015, 05:32:41 PM »
Myopic viewpoint...I've said for decades that it doesn't matter what you surf...it's how you surf it...

If you put reps from all of the surfing sports related crafts in a room...and, it was a democracy to talk about issues related to wave riding...saltwater, freshwater, or tierra...each one would only have one vote...still don't get how "short boarders" think that they have more say about who should be riding what implement and where and how they should be riding it...

BTW, surfing is not dead...it may be ruined in some places near and dear...but, it's definitely not dead...
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Re: what do you think of
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2015, 05:42:44 PM »
SURFING WILL NEVER DIE!

 i might you might but not surfing
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Re: what do you think of
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2015, 06:42:09 PM »
SURFING WILL NEVER DIE!

 i might you might but not surfing

Can I get an AMEN!!!
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Re: what do you think of
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2015, 03:49:04 AM »
Leashes altered surfing in a more dramatic way than any other innovation.
I made one instantly out of "Shock cord".... looped around your ankle.... other end pushed though a hole drilled in the fin..... with a knot on the end to keep it from pulling out.

Before leashes, to be successful, you needed to become a waterman.
You needed to plan your paddle out.... and where you would surf.
Watermen stood on the beach and timed the sets.... learning the rips and  the best chance of getting outside.

Think of the breaks now surfed.... rocky shores, cliffs, dangerous rips
Before leash - they were surfed only by the best and craziest, because if you lost your board into the rocks, cliff, channel..... it was destroyed or gone.

Before Leash- People didn't take off on every wave. They chose more wisely, and only went if they had a decent chance of making it.
With a leash - They go for every wave. They take off too far back , call the wave and never make it.... who cares... they can just pull their board back and repeat

Before Leash- Clean up set meant just that..... kooks got caught inside, hammered and lost their board. The line-up was clean for the next 1/2 hour
Waterman saw sets coming and moved to the right spot and enjoyed an empty line-up for a while.

Before Leash- People got tired and left the water to rest
now they never leave

Before Leash- people didn't sit inside so casually..... if a big set rolled through.... they ended up with a long, slow, tiring swim.
Now they are a pain in the ass.... every set wave is an exercise in threading your way through the kooks inside
That's almost the worst of the bunch.....
EVERY good wave seems to be ruined in some way by people who clog the inside....

Before leashes..... surfers became very good swimmers... and watermen.

I'm a "set" surfer..... I will wait for the bigger waves.... it seems like I'm always deciding if I should thread the needle or straighten out.... blowing a great wave. That's the worst. Great waves ruined.
Surfing is all about the surfing.... not kook avoidance. That really sucks.... it has happened to me countless times this week alone.... sheeesh.... what's the point of getting a good wave???

But I ain't giving up MY leash any time soon  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: what do you think of
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2015, 05:09:15 AM »
You discribed it perfectly creek. Glad you took the time to give the nervous nellies a history lesson.

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Re: what do you think of
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2015, 05:50:21 AM »
Yes, well recounted.
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« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2015, 10:59:18 AM »
Being late to the whole plank on water game, I just thought everybody wore a leash.  Jack O'Neill lost his eye experimenting with surgical tubing that snapped the board back on him for the first leashes.

However, I see the guys not wearing them. I fear their boards, and hate the thought of an invisible or barely visible board hurtling through the foam right at me.  I will hold the board for them if I am in the vicinity.

The swims are pretty short around my Santa Cruz habitual spot, and kooks also go without leashes at times, so I don't think that going leashless would cleanse the kooks or reduce their proclivities.

I have been trying to cut down on my usual flailing fall off, only possible because of the leash, and practice the much less kooky kneel down board recovery, which is kind of an artistic thing in and of itself.  I suppose the goal should be to wear a leash, but surf and recover as if you don't have one.
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Re: what do you think of
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2015, 02:27:19 PM »
Leashes altered surfing in a more dramatic way than any other innovation.
I made one instantly out of "Shock cord".... looped around your ankle.... other end pushed though a hole drilled in the fin..... with a knot on the end to keep it from pulling out.

Before leashes, to be successful, you needed to become a waterman.
You needed to plan your paddle out.... and where you would surf.
Watermen stood on the beach and timed the sets.... learning the rips and  the best chance of getting outside.

Think of the breaks now surfed.... rocky shores, cliffs, dangerous rips
Before leash - they were surfed only by the best and craziest, because if you lost your board into the rocks, cliff, channel..... it was destroyed or gone.

Before Leash- People didn't take off on every wave. They chose more wisely, and only went if they had a decent chance of making it.
With a leash - They go for every wave. They take off too far back , call the wave and never make it.... who cares... they can just pull their board back and repeat

Before Leash- Clean up set meant just that..... kooks got caught inside, hammered and lost their board. The line-up was clean for the next 1/2 hour
Waterman saw sets coming and moved to the right spot and enjoyed an empty line-up for a while.

Before Leash- People got tired and left the water to rest
now they never leave

Before Leash- people didn't sit inside so casually..... if a big set rolled through.... they ended up with a long, slow, tiring swim.
Now they are a pain in the ass.... every set wave is an exercise in threading your way through the kooks inside
That's almost the worst of the bunch.....
EVERY good wave seems to be ruined in some way by people who clog the inside....

Before leashes..... surfers became very good swimmers... and watermen.

I'm a "set" surfer..... I will wait for the bigger waves.... it seems like I'm always deciding if I should thread the needle or straighten out.... blowing a great wave. That's the worst. Great waves ruined.
Surfing is all about the surfing.... not kook avoidance. That really sucks.... it has happened to me countless times this week alone.... sheeesh.... what's the point of getting a good wave???

But I ain't giving up MY leash any time soon  ;D ;D ;D

you pretty much described my formative surfing years.
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Re: what do you think of
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2015, 06:38:50 AM »
Good thread. I remember surfing without a leash for about the first 2 years, my first one was literally bungee cord. It somehow slip-knotted and was strangling my foot and my dad had to cut it off on the beach. Later, the black rubber tubing with white 1/8" nylon cord inside (for safety) bounced back and cut my cheek so you could literally see my teeth from the side. 70 tiny stitches from a plastic surgeon friend inside the mouth, middle of tissue, and outside fixed me up. Sometimes surfing without a leash in the right area (not too crowded) is a test of skills. Yeah, you can air-reverse with the umbilical cord, how about a basic frontside air or tube-ride without one. SupCheat said it really well: "I suppose the goal should be to wear a leash, but surf and recover as if you don't have one." I had an 8' 6" pintail gun snap in my hands duck-diving (we take our duck-diving pretty serious up north...) and when younger and more territorial we used to enforce the "If you can't duck-dive the set waves, you shouldn't be out here..." rule. Anyone was welcome, as long as they didn't depend on their leash. Imagine my chagrin when I was first confronted with a little double-overhead whitewash, usually not a problem, but had started my climb upwards to a 10' 4" x 22" w x 3 3/8" thick gun? No duck diving that. Nor my new love, the Solid Surf 6' 10" Quad Sup. Leashes are great, and to me absolutely essential with my SUP. SupTheCreek's observations about people sitting inside are spot-on. I surfed most of my life up north where the regulation in the water was so heavy that stuff almost never happened. But it was often a really negative vibe. The people that think leashes killed surfing have a point, but that's really just semantics. Maybe James Cook killed surfing.
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