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Re: Advice: CM RAW vs Prowave vs Hero vs Wide Point vs Hokua
« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2014, 08:03:26 PM »
Ditto on a Simmons shape - I'm a big L41 SIMSUP fan. Look for my review on the new SIMSUP ST - short, wide, stable, fast, and a blast to surf. It's definitely good for the conditions you're describing...  But you should try to find one to try first if you can - not everyone is a fan if the Simmons shapes.

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Re: Advice: CM RAW vs Prowave vs Hero vs Wide Point vs Hokua
« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2014, 12:41:22 AM »
Thanks AJR.  I found the review.

http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,24248.0.html

When I was surfing, after quite a bit of experimenting, I ended up with two-board quiver--a short/thick/wide turner and a glide/trimming longboard.  If things go OK for me recovery-wise this year, and I am able to get back out there on a SUP, I'm guessing a two-board SUP quiver might be the way to go as well.    ....and so it begins.....

These Simmons-inspired SUPs look super fun. Hope I can find one to try at some point.
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Re: Advice: CM RAW vs Prowave vs Hero vs Wide Point vs Hokua
« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2014, 05:25:28 AM »
I just picked up a 8'6" Bote "Jackalope" at the beginning of the summer and love it. I've had it out in small mushy waves as well as overhead hurricane swells and it performs very well. I got it in  the "Chainmail" construction, which is their carbon version. That's the only drawback IMO. It seems like there is a new ding in it after most every session, but other than that I'm very pleased. Might be worth a look. Good Luck!

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Re: Advice: CM RAW vs Prowave vs Hero vs Wide Point vs Hokua
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2014, 04:34:18 PM »
I talked a bit earlier about how I liked my McCoy Nugget when I was prone surfing.  After the mention of the Hammer (thanks Slatch), I've been digging around looking at Simmons-inspired SUPs. 

It turns out, SUPSports (maker of the Hammer) has made a SUP inspired by McCoy.  He called it the Jammer.

http://blog.surfingsports.com/2014/08/jammer.html#.VAzpFPk7u-M

http://blog.surfingsports.com/2010/12/the-jammer-86.html#.VAzqwfk7u-M

Has anyone heard anything about the Jammer (or better yet, tried one)?
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Re: Advice: CM RAW vs Prowave vs Hero vs Wide Point vs Hokua
« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2014, 08:38:11 PM »
Welcome surfafrica....good gosh, sounds like you've been through the wringer.....happy to hear you're feeling better to get back out on the water, you must be stoked....at that plus buying a new board....awesome!!

Anyway, while we're way different in size, and so I don't feel as though my thoughts on a board would be of a whole lot of use to you....I did want to make mention as a couple others have, as to not get too caught up in the volume conundrum, as there's really a lot more to stability and balance than just that one number.

For instance I have two boards that are only one liter different in volume, but vastly different in their stability and maneuverability.

The way more stable and maneuverable is 7'8 x 30 x 4-3/8" and 119 liters (Simmons shape).....while the less stable (hell, I'll call it "tippy"), but more nose ridable board is 9'0" x 28" x 3-3/4" and 120 liters.....and a whole lot of work out there to balance on.

Now using the same formula the you used from seabreeze.....

220 lbs (rider) + (don't wear a wetsuit) = 220 lbs
220 lbs * 0.45 = 99 kg

If I go in as an intermediate:
99 kg * 1.7 = 168 litres

If I go in as a beginner:
99 kg * 2 = 198 litres

Now I'd probably say I'm an "advanced intermediate" so....
If I go in as that:
99 kg * 1.3 = 129 litres

But my "clean water board" is 8'5" x 29 x 4-1/8" and 109 liters, and very fun and doable if I don't have to battle a lot of chop at the time....the video Talldude posted shows me paddling it at the .30 second mark for an idea of how it sits in the water.

So all I'm saying, is that while volume might be a starting point, there's a lot more to a board, it's stability, maneuverability, and surfability.

Best of luck in your search, and congrats on your upcoming sessions of getting back in the water.
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Re: Advice: CM RAW vs Prowave vs Hero vs Wide Point vs Hokua
« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2014, 02:20:22 PM »
Thanks Sano.

Ya, it's been a rough ride for the past while.  I call 2012 & 2013 the sh-t storm.  I'm still feeling the after effects, but hopefully things start looking up. Surfing is likely out, but getting back on a SUP two weeks ago was a game-changer for me (even just on flat water).  Got pretty emotional about it all to tell you the truth.  I'm pretty nervous for this coming weekend as it'll be my first paddle out into a break.  Fingers crossed.

I've heard analysis paralysis tossed round this forum a few times.  I'm hoping to go hard with the analysis, without the paralysis.  It took me 4+ years to figure out my surfboard quiver.  Went through quite a few boards in that time.  I want to avoid that here.  I won't get out SUSing as much as many of you, so I'm hoping I can lock into a 1 or 2 board quiver that will do me for a while (ya, I say that now....I know how this goes). 

As I was figuring out my surfboard quiver, I went through a lot of boards that were under-volumed.  That's probably why I do have some focus there.  I don't want to make that mistake again.  But ya, I do understand there are a lot of variables that come into play when it comes to stability and maneuverability. It's mind-blowing to see all the new SUS designs and trends--they've come a long way from 2009 (when I was last paying attention).

After all the advice and reading this past week, I'm currently leaning towards a 2-board quiver.  One being a Simmons-inspired shape and the other a traditional performance shape.  If things go well this weekend, I think I'll start with the Simmons (and then start looking into a traditional performance shape after I get some time in the water to see where I'm at). 

A buddy and I are talking about heading to CA for an extended weekend for a bit of a demo tour: Santa Cruz for a SIMSUP (liking the look of the ST), and Santa Barbara for a try on the Hammer. I'm going to make sure to demo before making any decision.  Any other shapers along the LA-San Fran corridor that I shouldn't miss for a Simsdemo?

Thanks for all the advice guys...the more the better (and feel free to keep it coming).

By the way, here's a pic of me 3 weeks before the sh-t storm started in 2012.  I'm riding a 7'2 x 21" Bonzer Egg shaped for me by Malcolm Campbell.  It was a really fun board, but once I jumped on a McCoy Nugget, I had found "the one".

 
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Re: Advice: CM RAW vs Prowave vs Hero vs Wide Point vs Hokua
« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2014, 02:35:17 PM »
Nice shot Africa..... just give yourself a decent amount of time to make the adjustment to SUP.... sometimes trickier than anticipated.... but then it is truly transformative.

Stoked to hear your updates!

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Re: Advice: CM RAW vs Prowave vs Hero vs Wide Point vs Hokua
« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2014, 01:30:30 PM »
Thanks Creek

Well, with all the advice and poking around, I've definitely narrowed things down.  I'm liking the idea of a Simmons-style and a traditional performance-oriented shape (with a little extra stability). I will take my time and make sure to demo before pulling the trigger (even if it means travelling for a demo road show).

If things go well this weekend, I'll likely drop Kirk at L41 an email; if things don't, I might head to India to try to find enlightenment like the Beatles in '68.  :-\

Here's an update of my nerdy quiver pic.  Going through this process reminded me how much I enjoy working with shapers, so if all goes well this weekend (and then with getting a SIMS), I might go custom with the traditional shape as well when the time comes (but can't wait to read some reviews on the new Allwave shapes....Creek, I'm looking at you).


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Re: Advice: CM RAW vs Prowave vs Hero vs Wide Point vs Hokua
« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2014, 11:05:50 AM »
there's really a lot more to stability and balance than just that one number.

 

This^^^^^^

Just because you're paddling higher up in the water doesn't mean faster paddling or more stability. There are too many other parts to the equation....
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Re: Advice: CM RAW vs Prowave vs Hero vs Wide Point vs Hokua
« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2014, 11:47:39 AM »
Africa,  You really autta write a little program/app and charge us to pick images, enter numbers and let us plebs put our heads on Danny Ching's body (..no-that's too much) so we could mentally wrap ourselves in our future quiver like you do.   Cheers.  Jim
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Re: Advice: CM RAW vs Prowave vs Hero vs Wide Point vs Hokua
« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2014, 12:08:03 PM »
Go to King's Paddlesports. Talk to Dave. Check out their stuff! They are in San Marcos CA. Tell 'em mrbig sent ya!
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Re: Advice: CM RAW vs Prowave vs Hero vs Wide Point vs Hokua
« Reply #26 on: September 10, 2014, 12:31:44 PM »
Big, I watched some of Dave's vids.....I was impressed.  On the list for sure.

Wetstuff, send me the link or a pic of any boards you are interested in (or have), along with your height, and I'll whip up an image. I got into the habit of doing it when I was a serial surfboard buyer.  Nerdy, I know.  ...but I like seeing the different shapes and sizes to scale when I'm pondering an order.  I agree, more nerdy would be a little app to do it for me (kind of like a pop-out vs a hand-shaped?).  Here's one of my surfboard quiver.  Not able to ride them at the moment due to the back injury, but maybe one day...




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Re: Advice: CM RAW vs Prowave vs Hero vs Wide Point vs Hokua
« Reply #27 on: September 16, 2014, 09:59:16 AM »
Had a great weekend in the waves (first time in 2 years).  Knee to shoulder high and my back held up which was the big question mark.  It felt sooo good to be out there again.  Came home and placed an order with Kirk for the ST.  7'8 x 30/31", 120 litres (s-glass with vector net for lightness).

Thanks for all the advice.  Once I get some time in the water on it, I'll be looking to round out my quiver with a complementary board to the L41.  I'm just not sure exactly what I'm going to need to do that yet.  But I am convinced a 2-board quiver will serve me well.

Game on.
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Re: Advice: CM RAW vs Prowave vs Hero vs Wide Point vs Hokua
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2014, 11:03:44 AM »
Had a great weekend in the waves (first time in 2 years).  Knee to shoulder high and my back held up which was the big question mark.  It felt sooo good to be out there again.  Came home and placed an order with Kirk for the ST.  7'8 x 30/31", 120 litres (s-glass with vector net for lightness).

Thanks for all the advice.  Once I get some time in the water on it, I'll be looking to round out my quiver with a complementary board to the L41.  I'm just not sure exactly what I'm going to need to do that yet.  But I am convinced a 2-board quiver will serve me well.

Game on.

Sweet!!!! Congrats Africa!! Last night i started to think I could prob have gone with x 29.5" or maybe x 29" on my order but way to late for that as Kirk sent me a teaser pic of my ST already shaped  :D. I would think twice before going x 31 as everyone says these babies are uber stable.

2 board quiver seems to be the route I am taking too. ST for everyday swell and 8'+ for hurricane bombs and glass.  I have an 8'8 now but would like to find a carvy and stable 8'4- 8'6 x 29ish 130L traditional surf shape.
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Re: Advice: CM RAW vs Prowave vs Hero vs Wide Point vs Hokua
« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2014, 11:12:38 AM »
Thanks. Ya, I think I'll go with the standard 30" width (not the 31").  I don't think I should test anything narrower--I need a little more stability with my balance system loss (although I was surprised how well things went on the weekend--even had one session with some chop and did OK).
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