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Title: Fat bike trailer
Post by: stoneaxe on March 20, 2017, 11:27:28 AM
I haven't even built my bike yet but I know I'm going to want a trailer....saw this on magic seaweed. I kind of think two wheels will be better for my needs but this looks like a great idea for the beach.
http://magicseaweed.com/news/exploring-the-last-eden-by-bike/10141/
Title: Re: Fat bike trailer
Post by: Beasho on March 20, 2017, 12:56:01 PM
My vote is for 2 wheels.

I have more than 5,000 miles using the sidecar/side-rack approach.

https://vimeo.com/196988268
Title: Re: Fat bike trailer
Post by: Badger on March 20, 2017, 01:08:32 PM
Here's some ideas.

https://www.google.com/search?q=fat+bike+trailer&hl=en&site=webhp&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjOl8f-8OXSAhXE34MKHbXzDh0Q_AUICSgC&biw=1024&bih=639&dpr=1#hl=en&tbm=isch&q=%22fat+bike%22+trailer&*
Title: Re: Fat bike trailer
Post by: Bean on March 20, 2017, 01:15:53 PM
Here is an other awesome idea!

https://youtu.be/inSFAL47xd8
Title: Re: Fat bike trailer
Post by: PonoBill on March 20, 2017, 02:18:38 PM
The trailer looks fine, the adventure sounds ridiculous.

Easy to build trailers if you have the tools--which means you can buy tools or buy a trailer. A tubing notcher, mig welder (tig is better), a bender, and some time. Spend three grand and save yourself $500. Hmmm.

I used my SUP trailer for my motorcycle three times, and decided it was a good way to destroy a board, scrape off a lot more skin, or perhaps die so I could save a little gas money. I'd go with Beasho's two wheel approach. Just don't take your 14' or the Speedboard.
Title: Re: Fat bike trailer
Post by: stoneaxe on March 20, 2017, 06:51:11 PM
I'm definitely considering your rig Beasho. I'm thinking I might want the option of hauling more stuff though. Of course I should probably just use my truck then because I'll have a beach sticker that will get me out onto the sand at the point...... :D. Any design I come up with will likely use the board (at least in part) as the frame...kind of like the Mule but I'm thinking more of converting a used bike trailer as the base rather than bending metal. This looks like it could easily be adapted.....even comes with a red flag..... :)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Double-Baby-Bike-Trailer-Stroller-Child-Bicycle-Kids-Jogger-Jogging-W-3-Wheels-/201365936803 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Double-Baby-Bike-Trailer-Stroller-Child-Bicycle-Kids-Jogger-Jogging-W-3-Wheels-/201365936803)

Weird redirect to viglink of a bunch of them...$99 on Amazon.
Title: Re: Fat bike trailer
Post by: PonoBill on March 20, 2017, 07:15:38 PM
I used one of those to build my motorcycle trailer. Held up fine--for the three times I used it.

I used a mule for a while with my bicycle, but carrying an F18 tied to the back of a bicycle, with spindly wheels on it, in high wind on S. Kihei road led to some exciting "opportunities", one of which being driving down the road like the keystone kops with the trailer angled 45 degrees to the bike, intruding into other lanes.

I think you need to do one of those cape cod beachmobile things with your truck, with carriers fore and aft, coolers, tents, umbrellas and barbeques. and surfboards. and your bike.
Title: Re: Fat bike trailer
Post by: SUPJorge on March 22, 2017, 07:42:35 AM
Here's what I came up with. After this pic was taken I swapped out the pole for a windsurfing mast, connect it to the scooter's rack with a windsurfing universal joint (and a safety chain). Instant on/off, leave the scooter in the lot, walk the entire rig to the water's edge.
Title: Re: Fat bike trailer
Post by: stoneaxe on March 22, 2017, 08:14:25 AM
Very much what I have in mind.....cool.
Title: Re: Fat bike trailer
Post by: Bean on March 22, 2017, 08:19:06 AM
So, you're looking for a rig that will tow on the road, not necessarily along the beach?

That looks pretty good.
Title: Re: Fat bike trailer
Post by: SUPJorge on March 22, 2017, 08:27:52 AM
I'll try and take mo-better pics over the weekend.
Title: Re: Fat bike trailer
Post by: stoneaxe on March 22, 2017, 08:29:25 AM
Both...1 mile to the beach on the road...then 3 miles of beach to the point.
Title: Re: Fat bike trailer
Post by: Bean on March 22, 2017, 08:32:43 AM
You lucky bastard, that commute to the waves could be the best part of the trip!
Title: Re: Fat bike trailer
Post by: stoneaxe on March 22, 2017, 08:48:51 AM
That's why I've had a shit eating grin on my face since we bought the house.....passing papers April 14th
Title: Re: Fat bike trailer
Post by: Beasho on March 22, 2017, 10:24:24 AM
Nice!   I assume you will be 100% alone at that break unless someone comes out with a Jeep.

Whether trailer or side-rack (which I still vote for 1- Simple 2- Cheap ~ $40 3- KISS) it is totally cool to cruise down the soft sand to a spot where NO-ONE else can get to and have your perfect little break. 

Things start to get so good you will eventually try to drag someone with you.  But alas there are very few souls who have the chutzpah to put all the pieces together so F--- 'em.  And have fun!

You will need the wider tires.  My original 4" weren't cutting it but the 4.5" wide tires do the job even on soft sand.  I got away with just a back tire, but I weigh ~ 180.  Then again I am loading the weight of the entire board on to the system.  A trailer could offset that.  In hard pack a 3" tire will probably suffice, but if your are juicing the system with a motor then why not FATTEN UP THE TIRES.
Title: Re: Fat bike trailer
Post by: PonoBill on March 22, 2017, 10:29:32 AM
I've been considering building a 4 wheel bike for soft sand. Space the wheels very close together, perhaps butted on the back and wide enough in the front so the bike stands on it's own. Makes sense to try wider tires first. The tire profile is also important. Gently rounded would be best.
Title: Re: Fat bike trailer
Post by: Bean on March 22, 2017, 10:57:16 AM
Don't forget to air-down...
Title: Re: Fat bike trailer
Post by: SUPsports on March 22, 2017, 12:10:21 PM
The Wheele rack biker trailer is another off the shelf option...

https://youtu.be/LQuAOBltUAU

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wheele-SUP-Bike-Trailer-/121967650584?hash=item1c65d6a718:g:LIkAAOSwuxFY0sj5
Title: Re: Fat bike trailer
Post by: Badger on March 22, 2017, 01:26:25 PM
You will need the wider tires.  My original 4" weren't cutting it but the 4.5" wide tires do the job even on soft sand.  I got away with just a back tire, but I weigh ~ 180.  Then again I am loading the weight of the entire board on to the system.  A trailer could offset that.  In hard pack a 3" tire will probably suffice, but if your are juicing the system with a motor then why not FATTEN UP THE TIRES.

I agree with Beasho. You'll want wider tires for the beach.

My bike came with 4" tires and I upgraded to 4.7" Surly Big Fat Larry's. It made a huge difference in how well they float over sand. I weigh 170 and run them at about 4 psi.

Title: Re: Fat bike trailer
Post by: stoneaxe on March 22, 2017, 02:50:14 PM
And I've got 100 lbs on both of you..... :P

That poor little Mongoose is going to get crushed. I'm going to go the cheapest route for now. Maybe later i bump up to a better bike but this will have to do for the moment. I'll be mostly on hard packed sand. You can't ride into the dunes here.....bird sanctuary. In the summer there are 10,000+ seabirds of 5 or 6 different species. I love watching them fish. If there is a bait ball it looks like a Planet Earth out take....100 terns hitting a patch of water 30' across is crazy.
http://www.pbase.com/soonipi1957/plymouth_long_beach

Title: Re: Fat bike trailer
Post by: PonoBill on March 22, 2017, 02:55:29 PM
Don't diss the Goose. It's the easiest build and it's hell for stout. the parts that really suck on it are the ones you are going to throw away. Make sure you get the one with disk brakes. Coaster brakes don't cut it when you're doing 35. the 26" Mongoose Dolomite is the one I used, and it's currently $207 at Walmart. Damn, I paid 40 bucks more.
Title: Re: Fat bike trailer
Post by: stoneaxe on March 22, 2017, 03:11:30 PM
I just know that I crush a lot of stuff.... ::)

That post about birds made me think about a long ago zone post....I felt bad for the guy from Texas.
http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,3070.msg25901.html#msg25901

No idea why the youtube link is broken.
Title: Re: Fat bike trailer
Post by: Beasho on March 23, 2017, 10:19:29 AM
The "Wheele SUP Maneuverability" video is almost comical (as in NOT very maneuverable).

With my side-rack design anything you can do on 2 wheels you can do with your board.  I use if for my 12 foot gun, have carried 2 SUP's 7 miles round trip (although this trick was not for beginners).

Here's my bike with rack parked in the stable.  If I think I am going to use the same board for the next session I just leave it on the rack and then head out the next day.

Let me reiterate:  I have NOT used my Car to go surfing for 5 1/2 years.  I have used this design exclusively and logged more than 5,000 miles going to / from the beach.  IT WORKS.  When built properly the rack will come off the bike in less than 30 seconds. 
Title: Re: Fat bike trailer
Post by: SUPsports on March 23, 2017, 12:31:14 PM
I used to peddle my surfboard to the beach under my arms for many years before I could drive...hell, in college I even peddled with my board under arm to a couple of outta the way spots in Humboldt (wet & muddy) near where I lived...

I also hooked up a rack on my Honda Trail 90 for surf exploration in the Baja...so, I'm no stranger to this mode of recreational transportation...

It really boils down to a personal preference of where you want your board attached when you eventually crash or dump it...not a matter of if...but, when/where...and I doubt that it will be comical...at least to the driver...;-)

I'll take my chances with this trailer...YMMV...;-)

Title: Re: Fat bike trailer
Post by: SlatchJim on March 23, 2017, 02:23:07 PM
Bob,
I've seen side racks, trailers and overhead racks and no matter what you do you'll be exposing yourself to side winds and a potential crash.  Go slow, adjust speed for the winds, and the good news is that you'll be crashing in sand if you do go down.  I'd probably try all available options to see what works for you.  My money would be on the lowest trailer you could get and not doink your board, but that's just my perspective (one that can't get a damn set of Kayak wheels to work with two boards without doing some auto origami on me). 

You Bowcock boys can build anything; my faith is in that ability, your stubbornness, and your strong desire to surf cool spots near home.  If "necessity" is the mother of invention, then "chutzpah" is the dad!  ;)
Title: Re: Fat bike trailer
Post by: PonoBill on March 23, 2017, 03:50:15 PM
I also hooked up a rack on my Honda Trail 90 for surf exploration in the Baja...so, I'm no stranger to this mode of recreational transportation...

Who's the hippy with the Honda??
Title: Re: Fat bike trailer
Post by: SUPsports on March 23, 2017, 04:34:42 PM
I also hooked up a rack on my Honda Trail 90 for surf exploration in the Baja...so, I'm no stranger to this mode of recreational transportation...

Who's the hippy with the Honda??

Feral surf dog in the desert look...;-)

8 speed...4 lo/4 hi...
Title: Re: Fat bike trailer
Post by: NorthJerzSurfer on March 23, 2017, 05:55:27 PM
Great Vintage shots Wardog.  Legend traveler status!
Title: Re: Fat bike trailer
Post by: stoneaxe on March 23, 2017, 07:41:33 PM
Very sweet pics.

Believe me...I'm not going fast on this.......this whole bike thing is an experiment. I actually haven't been on a bike since I had my brain fried.... :o. My wife is all over me. I'm ordering the bike when we get back. I plan to ride it in my backyard sans motor for a bit before I do the install......helmet in place...she wants me to get a motorcycle helmet..... :P
Title: Re: Fat bike trailer
Post by: PonoBill on March 23, 2017, 07:57:57 PM
Get a mountain bike helmet--adequate for 40 MPH. You don't want to spend 500 bucks for a fifty buck head. 
Title: Re: Fat bike trailer
Post by: Bean on March 23, 2017, 08:54:35 PM
There's tons of good helmets out here but I just picked up an all-round skate style S1 helmet.  Mostly impressed with the huge range of fit, 3 shell sizes with s-xxl liners for each and reasonable $'s.
Title: Re: Fat bike trailer
Post by: stoneaxe on March 24, 2017, 05:32:05 AM
$50.....sold.... :)

How about xxxl....I have a very large noggin.
Title: Re: Fat bike trailer
Post by: SUPsports on March 24, 2017, 07:26:20 AM
Great Vintage shots Wardog.  Legend traveler status!

No doubt it's fun to peddle to your local...and, sometimes you get it without anyone around...but, I've had better luck scoring empty surf lineups using planes, boats, & automobiles...;-)
Fortunate to have a collection of camping and surfing travel adventures to draw from...including the Baja bush pilot mode of recreational transportation with a board...;-)

https://youtu.be/d-qrlwuFqJI

https://youtu.be/gkS3eaGuorc

I wore a Gath helmet surfing for a spell after having my clock rang while learning to loop on a sailboard...and, used it on my Trail 90...
Though not specifically tested for bikes...Gath does have info on their site regarding possible dual purpose (land/water) use...and, testimony from someone wearing one during a mountain bike crash at 30mph...

https://www.gathsports.com/testimonials.php

https://www.gathsports.com/faqs.php

"I notice the Gath helmets are very flexible and lightweight, HOW STRONG are Gath helmets compared to other lightweight sports helmets...???"

The best way to answer this question is to direct readers to an independent article on the subject of rigid helmets verses flexible helmets www.motorcyclistonline.com/gearbox/hatz/
This article total supports the FLEXI DESIGN CONSTRUCTION, the same design principle Gath has been incorporating since 1988 and continues to stand by today. It is the same design principle adopted by car manufacturers many years ago, a car that partially crumbles will absorb the impact energy better than a more rigid car that will not crumble, the impact energy is transferred, rather than absorbing and dispersin the force of the blow. Gath helmets have been used by the world's elite sports professionals and sports enthusiasts in a large number of extreme sports and weather conditions that test a helmet to its limits in both strength and durability and impact absorbing properties. Gath's IMPRESSIVE 20 year safety record speaks for itself and is supported by the numerous testimonials from customers claiming their Gath has saved them from serious injury or even saved their life.

An example of these testimonies is from a Gath Team rider wearing his Gedi in a high speed downhill bicycle accident. Thrown from his bike and slammed the back of his head (Gath Gedi) onto a hard gravel surface, he walked away with only his pride damaged and shortly after wrote to Gath to praise his Gedi for saving him from serious injury (testimony will be posted soon on this website). Even though Gath does not recommend use of Gath helmets for cycling or for other land based sports, and Gath's range of helmets have not been submitted for testing to cycle standards, this and many other real life incidents that the Gath helmets have withstood supports the Gath FLEXI DESIGN construction and suggests that impact properties exceed intended use.
Title: Re: Fat bike trailer
Post by: PonoBill on March 24, 2017, 07:17:52 PM
I had a good friend that did a lot of flights into Mexico. That plane with the broken gear might be one of his, though he usually did most of his ditching on this side of the border. I don't think he surfed though. We got into a tiff over his girlfriend. She later sold him out to the DEA, so I guess he won that one--or maybe I did. I connected with him on Facebook a few years ago. He's a preacher in Oklahoma now. I'd rather just be shot.