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General Category => Downwind and Racing => Topic started by: PonoBill on March 02, 2017, 02:36:01 PM

Title: Back in the Hood
Post by: PonoBill on March 02, 2017, 02:36:01 PM
Arrived yesterday with a sick wife in tow. Diane got a virus a few days before we left, which turned into pneumonia. Nothing showing in the chest Xray, but presenting all the symptoms. I got the same bug probably, but for me it's just a runny nose and cough. I'm unloading the truck and trailer today. What a job. Fully 2/3rds of the bulk is dog damage protection stuff. Diane covered about every sensitive surface in the Trout's house with something. And of course the dog behaved himself the entire time. I used to think I overdid stuff until I married Diane.

Good to be back in the Hood. The wind is pretty strong today, and I'm tempted to try to put together a cold weather downwinder, but I'd probably just prolong this sore throat crap. Besides, I'm still only halfway unloaded. If we do this again I'm going to insist on just a truckload--no trailer.

There's snow on all the hills. This is the earliest we've been back in HR, but it's very good to be back. LOVE THIS TOWN.
Title: Re: Back in the Hood
Post by: Tom on March 02, 2017, 03:32:11 PM
The only thing I can tell you about your Southern California trip is, you should have been here last year, or the year before that, or the year before that,...., or maybe next year. At least you got to have a small sample of Sunset Cliffs.
Title: Re: Back in the Hood
Post by: PonoBill on March 18, 2017, 11:51:13 AM
I enjoyed the heck out of Sunset Cliffs. That was the best wave I found down there. I think my double vision is from the virus. This could clear up any time and I won't miss it.
Title: Re: Back in the Hood
Post by: headmount on March 18, 2017, 12:04:43 PM
Stay away from that ice cream shop.  Not good for that virus.  Take oregano oil. 

And start oiling your knees.  You're gonna need them to ride that foil you're making.  Have you seen the vids?  Maybe get a pogo stick.
Title: Re: Back in the Hood
Post by: Badger on March 18, 2017, 12:20:51 PM

The Hood sounds like a really neat place. How about some pictures? All of these cool places you go to and you never show us what the scene looks like. We need pics!
Title: Re: Back in the Hood
Post by: PonoBill on March 18, 2017, 12:28:32 PM
My knee is in a race with my carpal tunnel and my double vision to be named "most irritating aspect of passing 70". The double vision has an early lead, but the knee is coming on strong. Time for a lube job when I won't be doing too much with it. My doc says I've screwed them up in the past by going too hard when the lube was just starting to work. Like hiking around San Francisco the day after, or doing two downwinders three days in a row the week after. Right now my big exercise is cleaning my shop, which I think compares well with cleaning the Aegean Stables as a labor of Hercules--but low knee impact.
Title: Re: Back in the Hood
Post by: pdxmike on March 18, 2017, 01:39:57 PM

And start oiling your knees.
Didn't someone around here know a guy who used to treat his knee pain by spraying them with WD-40?
Title: Re: Back in the Hood
Post by: PonoBill on March 19, 2017, 09:13:57 AM
Double Mountain Brewery celebrated their tenth year anniversary last night. Pretty crazy. Closed off the street, had a bunch of bands, including Cracker. Didn't know who they are, but they sounded good.

Hood River is big on parties and closing off the streets. I generally just listen for music and follow my ears.

I like the idea of doing a video of the Hood. It will be pretty long, lots to show off here. Craziest town of 7,000 people I've ever seen. We have our own railroad! And of course the railroad station is next to the Springhouse winery and the Ruins (music venue) and runs up along the Hood River canyon. I'll work on it. Maybe I can get Admin to unlimber his Inspire2 and contribute.

We also raised enough money through contributions to add an Unlimited OC6 to the Hood River OCC fleet. Soon to be three standard OC6 and one Unlimited. 145 pounds instead of 400. Should be fun.
Title: Re: Back in the Hood
Post by: Admin on March 19, 2017, 09:32:43 AM
Maybe I can get Admin to unlimber his Inspire2 and contribute.

I will be happy to help when I am not busy with my Geezer Foil 2 aerial documentary, GF2, Man in Tights.
Title: Re: Back in the Hood
Post by: PonoBill on March 19, 2017, 09:46:49 AM
That would be a tear-jerker.
Title: Re: Back in the Hood
Post by: digger71 on March 19, 2017, 10:05:21 AM
Double Mountain Brewery celebrated their tenth year anniversary last night. Pretty crazy. Closed off the street, had a bunch of bands, including Cracker. Didn't know who they are, but they sounded good.

Hood River is big on parties and closing off the streets. I generally just listen for music and follow my ears.

Definitely seems like Hood River has it figured out!  As soon as I get a Subaru wagon and a dog I may apply for at least partial year citizenship ;)  Nice to hear it doesn't completely shut down in the off season.

Cracker has been around forever.  They're pretty odd but have some good stuff.  One of their most popular

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n8rfFRvIH0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n8rfFRvIH0)
Title: Re: Back in the Hood
Post by: yugi on March 19, 2017, 10:42:21 AM
I know Cracker!

Fond memory. I also discovered Cracker by pulling a Pono.

Iíd driven into SF from the Bay Area, where I was working at the time, for a Mazzy Star gig which was waaaay sold out. I had no idea what to do or where to go once I was in town (total nOOb, Iíd just arrived) and noticed Cracker was playing which Iíd heard on the radio. So I went. Whatever. I was there.

Itís one of the few concerts Iíve been to alone but it definitely  is the only concert Iíve been to where the girl in front of me took her pants off!

This pretty cute very hot chick was rocking away right in front of me and we were having a good time. Suddenly there was a total vib change and all these guys were buzzing and hawking around and kind of crowding me in. There was almost an audible Buzzzz in the air. Iím wondering WTF was up with that. Then I notice the cutie right there in front of me had taken her pants off and was dancing in her underwear.

Wow.

Sorry, I think I got distracted. What was the thread about?
Title: Re: Back in the Hood
Post by: Badger on March 19, 2017, 11:32:59 AM

It would be cool if you could find a place where the paddlers come near enough to the shore where you could get some good close up video of people riding waves.

A drone would also work.

I keep hearing of all these great downwind places but have yet to see a decent video showing the big drops and awesome glides everyone talks about. I can only imagine what that's like.


Title: Re: Back in the Hood
Post by: Admin on March 19, 2017, 12:26:28 PM

It would be cool if you could find a place where the paddlers come near enough to the shore where you could get some good close up video of people riding waves.

A drone would also work.

I took these windsurfing shots 100-200 feet off shore.  We will try to get some good SUP video this summer.  This day would have tested the drone for sure:

http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,24142.msg243617.html#msg243617
Title: Re: Back in the Hood
Post by: yugi on March 19, 2017, 12:28:21 PM
Best footage is from the side.

As in skiing: you just canít see slope angle unless you take the shot from the side.

Drone pilots: same same. Front-high view can be impressive. But doubt that works for DW kind of waves. The up-behind shot is the one all pilots want to take (incl. heliís) but it just flattens the view. Not so impressive.

Pono. Chat w/ Devin Re angles that work. She spent time with a great ski and windsurf photographer. Bet she knows this stuff inside out.
Title: Re: Back in the Hood
Post by: yugi on March 19, 2017, 12:33:53 PM
Nice shots, Admin!

I wrote previous post as you were posting. But, yes! Exactly.
Putís the steepness in perspective.

Nicely!
Title: Re: Back in the Hood
Post by: PonoBill on March 19, 2017, 12:35:05 PM
The Oregon side is hard to access for most of the run. Railroad embankment and highway. So it's tough to video. There are surprisingly few videos of downwinding the columbia, despite the huge number of people doing it compared to anywhere else--even more than Maui. This is a ski, but it's a good idea of what the glides are like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_YIrl5KmIQ

This is an old video by Nikki Gregg. The didn't get the best spots or the long glides, but it gives some idea of size and how it works.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prrPG5Fc8I8

And here's Kai doing a bit of everything. I remember when they took that mat down the White Salmon. I think EVERYONE got hurt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_LNnr5vWUw
Title: Re: Back in the Hood
Post by: Badger on March 19, 2017, 02:07:06 PM

Admin, yeah that's what I'm talking about. Those are excellent shots and the waves look awesome.

Pono, I've seen plenty of videos that "give an idea" of what it's like but very few if any actually capture what's going on. Nikki Gregg looked like a novice and on a displacement board no less. I did see a few good waves in that one though. I know it was from a few years ago.

I'm looking forward to seeing some good footage this year.

.
Title: Re: Back in the Hood
Post by: Admin on March 20, 2017, 06:32:23 AM
One thing to consider is that 95% of SUP downwinding is happening in the smaller bumps outside of the main channel.  The big swell do not form everywhere and they are not typically the fastest in terms of laying down record times.  The surf skis are in the swell zones a lot but not the SUP's.   That is not to say it doesn't happen.  In many of the best and most consistent big swell locations you are right in the mix and are in plain view (read on display).  It is very hard to look good on a SUP in the Gorge in the swell line on a big day and very few do.  There are some locations that get used much less that develop huge swells that would be epic for SUP.  That is something I would love to get footage of this summer.

Most downwinding footage is pretty bad.  Wide angle lenses and poor vantage points are to blame.  I do think that drone footage with zoom lenses will be a good answer.  I am ready to try.
Title: Re: Back in the Hood
Post by: PonoBill on March 20, 2017, 07:02:27 AM
With the roaring current we have right now, if we get some wind we'll have epic bumps. Got to be 5mph most of the time.

I pick up a Hobie Mirage Eclipse today. That should be a hoot in the current.
Title: Re: Back in the Hood
Post by: lucabrasi on March 20, 2017, 07:36:21 AM
Your snow pack upstream, at least in the entire Snake River drainage is epic. They are starting to empty already to make room. I don't think there is enough room for it either. I was quite surprised to see how full some stuff was a couple weeks ago and that they had waited so long to start increasing flows to make room.
Title: Re: Back in the Hood
Post by: PonoBill on March 20, 2017, 07:57:42 AM
It's a delicate operation. The Columbia river is actually a series of lakes from well into Canada all the way to Bonneville Dam, and most of the tributaries and branches are dammed as well. Increasing flow from any dam affects all dams, either in terms of upriver level, or downriver sink, eventual or immediate. I used to have to explain this stuff to media folks. I'd rather explain it to kindergartners. At least they'd listen a moment before asking the vapid questions they had already thought of before they learned a thing.

The section we play on in Hood River is between the The Dalles dam (yeah, "The" is part of the name) and Bonneville Dam. If you know who to call you can actually ask to have level or flow changed to help an event--if it fits in the boundary parameters, they'll do it. Feels more than a little godlike. It's a big chunk of water. Of course if you asked this time of the year they'd either yell at you (gets a little tense in load dispatch) or tell you thy might change it by two inches. In midsummer they can go a foot or two pretty casually. Might cost BPA a few million bucks today, but they'll get it back tomorrow. More likely, if you want the lake higher, they'll take more power from The Dalles and less from Bonneville.

Anyway, this is what it looks like. Not what people expect:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Pacific_Northwest_River_System.png/1280px-Pacific_Northwest_River_System.png)
Title: Re: Back in the Hood
Post by: lucabrasi on March 20, 2017, 03:17:17 PM
Cool map. I was looking at the Columbia drainage last year a little and didn't realize it was so damn big itself without the Snake. Even bigger looking now. It is a delicate operation. Peak runoff downstream is or can be a month ahead of upstream. Even if not that many miles between really. Spring weather, which is unpredictable kind of has the last say I think. Cool, warm, wet, dry. I and others I know scratch our heads some years. Last time there was this much or similar snow pack they waited too long to release so when they did have to, the downstream tributaries, uncontrollable by dams, were also at peak which just made a mess of the whole thing at least up in my neighborhood. Most of the dams for the Snake, or at least upstream of Treasure Valley are for irrigation and power generation is secondary if hydro is even there so reservoir storage and outflows are what's in mind. Farmers rule the release. Canal companies, etc. At least how I understand it and see how flows fluctuate through the year. Recreation has some input but really just kind of brushed to the side it seems as the water for crops does rule. The dams I am familiar with that generate power as their main use have reservoirs that are pretty constant and stable through the year for the most part and not wildly fluctuating like the water storage for irrigation reservoirs. So tough to get good fish habitat for such fluctuating reservoirs. Where some may spawn could be dry the next year or after they spawn. Bugs lay their eggs in the water then it's dry, all sorts but some do flourish and do rather well depending on the species. Just put Pike or Kokanee everywhere.......
Title: Re: Back in the Hood
Post by: PonoBill on March 20, 2017, 04:30:08 PM
Fluctuation is good for most species. Before the dams everything fluctuated like crazy. The reason for all the flood plains along the Columbia is that it all used to flood and meander. You can dig a hole almost anywhere in the Northwest and find round rocks--river rocks. Almost everything that's now called a basin use to be a river bed at one time or another.  And then an ice dam in Montana that made the Wall in Game Of Thrones look like a sandcastle, broke and let an inland sea roll across the region in a wave of unimaginable destruction.

Interesting place.
Title: Re: Back in the Hood
Post by: starman on March 20, 2017, 05:29:52 PM
Speaking of dams and their effects on the eco system, this is a great short film on the subject:

https://susitnarivercoalition.org/super-salmon/

Gotta love those salmon.