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Title: Learning to Foil video
Post by: blueplanetsurf on February 03, 2017, 01:43:36 PM
In this video Sam Pa'e and myself talk about learning to foil on a stand up board as well as safety and gear. 
If you are thinking about trying it, there is a lot of helpful information in this video:
https://youtu.be/VSR2wz3N0VQ

Title: Re: Learning to Foil video
Post by: toejammer2 on February 03, 2017, 10:12:23 PM
Just what I've been looking for!
Cheers!
Title: Re: Learning to Foil video
Post by: TallDude on February 04, 2017, 09:45:42 AM
Great video Robert. Nice to hear Sam's perspective as well. Looks fun, but far from the standard SUP learning curve.
Title: Re: Learning to Foil video
Post by: ninja tuna on February 06, 2017, 10:37:10 PM
Great video Robert

Thanks for that.
Title: Re: Learning to Foil video
Post by: JimK on February 08, 2017, 06:47:47 AM
Robert

Super GREAT video

JimK
Extreme Windsurfing
Title: Re: Learning to Foil video
Post by: SURFFOILS on February 27, 2017, 03:21:25 AM
It's interesting that there's such focus on just getting the balance right, lean back, then forward to hold the foil down, following the curve of the wave, not too close to the curl, don't lean sideways, watch out for roll and the razor sharp foils ,if it ventilates at the surface then it stalls and crashes.
 Looks difficult for anyone. :-[
Title: Re: Learning to Foil video
Post by: SURFFOILS on February 27, 2017, 02:06:08 PM
but is it easier if you're a surfer or not approaching foiling with a mindset.
One guy in the video mentioned several times that he had to change his approach becuase he had an established surfing balance.
Title: Re: Learning to Foil video
Post by: blueplanetsurf on February 27, 2017, 07:16:27 PM
Hi Surffoils,
Yes, once you get the feel for it, it's really not very difficult or complicated to foil but we were trying to make the point that it is quite challenging to get the feel for it at first and that you tend to wipe out a lot as you are figuring it out.  I doubt that you were able to fly the foil level the first time you tried it, am I right?  It's not just the mind set, we are conditioned from surfing to react a certain way, like to lean back on a steep takeoff and to put more weight on the inside rail, so you have to re-learn how to react to different situations and that takes a while, you can't count on your experience and muscle memory from surfing.  This was recorded after only my third time trying it in surf, so I was still very much a beginner, which is a good time to give pointers to others trying to learn I think.
Title: Re: Learning to Foil video
Post by: SURFFOILS on February 27, 2017, 07:48:12 PM
I cheated on my first Foil attempts, I rode it prone for days until I got the knack. But in beach breaks.
 It tripped me out to reach under the board and realise there was clear air between the board and the water.
Riding prone the silence is more apparent too, funny how much noise is created by the board moving thru the water.
 You do quickly learn to ride it like a plane aware of the surface.
 And then I moved to standup.
 Great video, thanks !

Title: Re: Learning to Foil video
Post by: blueplanetsurf on December 31, 2017, 09:57:23 AM
I just posted another "How to SUP Foil" video where Sam and I give some pointers to Evan and Lee who are just learning to foil.  It's kind of long but has lots of good information:
https://youtu.be/Gn5WOddfZ5o
Title: Re: Learning to Foil video
Post by: madeinsantacruz on December 31, 2017, 05:08:39 PM
Robert,  This is a fantastic video.  Can you speak more to the pros/cons of riding with straps vs without?  Also, what is distance from trailing edge of the mast to tail on your 6'6? 

Thanks!
Title: Re: Learning to Foil video
Post by: blueplanetsurf on December 31, 2017, 06:12:18 PM
Robert,  This is a fantastic video.  Can you speak more to the pros/cons of riding with straps vs without?  Also, what is distance from trailing edge of the mast to tail on your 6'6? 

Thanks!
Glad you liked the video.  Regarding straps, I tried both footstraps and foot hooks and did not really like them, I found it difficult to take off and put my feet in the straps at the same time, even though I have been windsurfing with straps for over 30 years.  I think for carving turns, floaters and aerials they add a lot of control and I will probably try to use them again for surfing but for now I like the freedom of going strapless.  Having the arch pad and kick tail on the pad in the right spot over the foil really helps to feel where your back foot needs to go and if you don't use straps, you absolutely need something to find your back foot position without looking.

Regarding the foil position, the training edge of the mast is about 13" from the tail on my 6'6.  The shorter the board is, the closer to the tail we mount the foil. 
Title: Re: Learning to Foil video
Post by: Badger on December 31, 2017, 11:26:21 PM
Excellent video. Watching it makes me feel more confident that I could do it.

Interesting short leash design I haven't seen before. I see Sam has a tail handle on his board.

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Title: Re: Learning to Foil video
Post by: surfcowboy on January 01, 2018, 05:30:26 PM
Badger, I'm pretty sure Sam was the original inventor of the tail handle. (I owe that guy so many Primos for that.)

Robert, do you guys sell those retractable leashes?
Title: Re: Learning to Foil video
Post by: Badger on January 01, 2018, 07:42:43 PM
Badger, I'm pretty sure Sam was the original inventor of the tail handle. (I owe that guy so many Primos for that.)

Sam was one of the main motivators that started me using them four years ago. The tail handle is an important piece of gear that I wouldn't be without. All my boards have one.

Title: Re: Learning to Foil video
Post by: blueplanetsurf on January 02, 2018, 11:01:45 PM
Badger, I'm pretty sure Sam was the original inventor of the tail handle. (I owe that guy so many Primos for that.)

Robert, do you guys sell those retractable leashes?
Hi Surfcowboy,
Yes, we have the retractable leashes up on our website now:
https://blueplanetsurf.com/products/reel-sup-foiling-leash/
Title: Re: Learning to Foil video
Post by: opie on January 03, 2018, 08:49:24 AM
Badger, I'm pretty sure Sam was the original inventor of the tail handle. (I owe that guy so many Primos for that.)

Robert, do you guys sell those retractable leashes?
Hi Surfcowboy,
Yes, we have the retractable leashes up on our website now:
https://blueplanetsurf.com/products/reel-sup-foiling-leash/


Have you broken any of those leashes yet?  I just broke my second coil leash in two months I think by wrapping it around the mast.  It seems like the reel leash might do better. 
Also,  how long are those leashes, and what happens in larger surf?  I see your website says just for small surf.

Thanks
Title: Re: Learning to Foil video
Post by: blueplanetsurf on January 03, 2018, 10:48:24 AM
Badger, I'm pretty sure Sam was the original inventor of the tail handle. (I owe that guy so many Primos for that.)

Robert, do you guys sell those retractable leashes?
Hi Surfcowboy,
Yes, we have the retractable leashes up on our website now:
https://blueplanetsurf.com/products/reel-sup-foiling-leash/


Have you broken any of those leashes yet?  I just broke my second coil leash in two months I think by wrapping it around the mast.  It seems like the reel leash might do better. 
Also,  how long are those leashes, and what happens in larger surf?  I see your website says just for small surf.

Thanks
We will post a video soon about the pros and cons of the retractable leash.  I have not broken one yet, used it about 30 times, they seem quite strong.  I do wash it out with fresh water after every use. 
The leash is plenty long but when it reaches the end of the coil, it does have a hard stop, not a long stretch like a urethane leash.  That's the main reason I don't recommend it for bigger waves.  Using a rubber dive belt allows some give and I just started using a length of rope between the nylon leash and the board that has some give, you can see it in this photo, the leash is fully retracted and the "shock cord" goes from the leash line to my waist.  The more I use it and get it dialed in, the better I like it.   It almost never gets wrapped around the foil and slowly reels be board back to you after falling.  Most of the time I'm foiling I'm looking for mellow waves away from the crowds anyway.  In smaller waves (under head high) the leash almost never reaches the end of the coil.  I will probably start using a retractable leash for downwinders as well as even a coil leash drags quite a bit if you step back on the board and always stretches out over time.  I am currently working with the manufacturer to come up with a SUP foil specific system, they made a few samples that I'm testing now, will keep you guys posted.
Title: Re: Learning to Foil video
Post by: blueplanetsurf on January 08, 2018, 07:22:26 PM
Here is the latest video we posted with some detailed information about our new lineup of Easy Foiler boards to answer some of the many questions our customers have about foiling and our gear.  It also includes some helpful information for those wanting to learn how to foil:
https://youtu.be/E7CzUjwtjn0
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