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General => The Shape Shack => Topic started by: anonsurfer on February 02, 2017, 06:49:03 PM
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The Lazy Boy SUP combines the outline and rocker from Lost's Lazy Boy with the bottom contours of the best selling Lost Puddle Jumper. The result is a low rocker small wave SUP design that can also handle larger waves.
Lazy Boy SUP: 6'6" x 26.77" x 3.96" x 82L
1.5# EPS Marko Foam Blank
Because of the narrow hipped, continuous curve, outline, you can surf this with a centered stance for down the line 70’s inspired speed runs, down carves and cutbacks... or step back on the tail and go vertical off the bottom and in the pocket. The bottom contours consist of a rolled vee in the nose transitioning to subtle single concave through the center to spiral vee under the rear foot. These contours free the board up, making it easy to push the pinched rail deep and perpendicular into the face of the wave, rather than skate flat on top of the water.
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Nice looking everyday groveler. course I'd have to blow it up bein more in the clydesdale class.
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That's an interesting shape there. I have to ask, do you find paddling those sub 8' boards fun or are you mostly riding them for the surfing performance?
I ask because I don't have as much fun these days on my 7'4" board unless it's really smooth. It's not the side to side it's the nose to tail pitching that I find hard to deal with.
I'm wondering if I'm just cranky but I'm stuck with not loving paddling my short SUP and my 9' production SUP feels like a boat. I've been (perish the thought!) surfing more lately than paddle surfing.
Do you know or feel theoretically/aft pitching I'm talking about? And do these recent small boards have that? I suspect I should just suck it up and work on my paddling but I'm curious, you seem to be digging these smaller boards and I really want to myself.
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looks fun! may have to try one when I get back home to my cnc!
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That's an interesting shape there. I have to ask, do you find paddling those sub 8' boards fun or are you mostly riding them for the surfing performance?
I ask because I don't have as much fun these days on my 7'4" board unless it's really smooth. It's not the side to side it's the nose to tail pitching that I find hard to deal with.
I'm wondering if I'm just cranky but I'm stuck with not loving paddling my short SUP and my 9' production SUP feels like a boat. I've been (perish the thought!) surfing more lately than paddle surfing.
Do you know or feel theoretically/aft pitching I'm talking about? And do these recent small boards have that? I suspect I should just suck it up and work on my paddling but I'm curious, you seem to be digging these smaller boards and I really want to myself.
I tired all different lengths and settled on 7'8 as the magic shortboard SUP length.
Over 7'8 they get slower, under, they loose range and ease of use.
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Nice looking everyday groveler. course I'd have to blow it up bein more in the clydesdale class.
Thanks, I think this shape could be blown up with very good results. The wide point is at center with a clean, elliptical "double ender" outline and subtly pulled in tail.
7'6" x 29" x 4-1/8" would be 108L
8'6" x 30" x 4-1/4" would be 130L
My primary use will be as you guessed, a performance groveler but I expect it to perform well in larger waves as well as long as they are not too hollow.
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That's an interesting shape there. I have to ask, do you find paddling those sub 8' boards fun or are you mostly riding them for the surfing performance?
I ask because I don't have as much fun these days on my 7'4" board unless it's really smooth. It's not the side to side it's the nose to tail pitching that I find hard to deal with.
I'm wondering if I'm just cranky but I'm stuck with not loving paddling my short SUP and my 9' production SUP feels like a boat. I've been (perish the thought!) surfing more lately than paddle surfing.
Do you know or feel theoretically/aft pitching I'm talking about? And do these recent small boards have that? I suspect I should just suck it up and work on my paddling but I'm curious, you seem to be digging these smaller boards and I really want to myself.
Yes, I find small boards fun. Maximizing the fun factor is goal #1 since I don't get paid to surf :-) I think it will stop being fun when I can no longer remain balanced on a board while standing in the line up.
I understand what you are referring to with the pitching you describe. This tends to happen on boards with a small "sweet spot". Increasing width and thickness in the front third of the board will help in this regard.
If you want to go smaller I'd recommend a board like my Hypto Krypto SUP. Wide point is forward with more width and foam (thickness) in the nose area but the rear end has a pulled in rounded pin tail for performance. I am amazed by how stable this board is for how small it is.
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That's an interesting shape there. I have to ask, do you find paddling those sub 8' boards fun or are you mostly riding them for the surfing performance?
I ask because I don't have as much fun these days on my 7'4" board unless it's really smooth. It's not the side to side it's the nose to tail pitching that I find hard to deal with.
I'm wondering if I'm just cranky but I'm stuck with not loving paddling my short SUP and my 9' production SUP feels like a boat. I've been (perish the thought!) surfing more lately than paddle surfing.
Do you know or feel theoretically/aft pitching I'm talking about? And do these recent small boards have that? I suspect I should just suck it up and work on my paddling but I'm curious, you seem to be digging these smaller boards and I really want to myself.
I tired all different lengths and settled on 7'8 as the magic shortboard SUP length.
Over 7'8 they get slower, under, they loose range and ease of use.
For me that is the fun part of our hobby: the search for that "magic" combination of outline, length, width, thickness and rocker that best suits the waves you ride and the type of surfing you want to do.
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Your deck rocker has a major whoop-dee-doo in it. Smooth that curve out! Otherwise, rad board. 8)
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Your deck rocker has a major whoop-dee-doo in it. Smooth that curve out! Otherwise, rad board. 8)
Not sure what you are referring to, please clarify. It is pretty much the same deck rocker I have on all my boards. I picked up the CNC'd blank today. It looks sweet.
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Now how is it you are calling this board a "Lazy Boy?" At the miniscule dimensions of 6'6" x 26.77" x 3.96" x 82L, you would have to be anything but lazy to ride it. Seems like a workout riding that board to me. My 7'4 is a lot of work for me to ride, I can't imagine one as small as yours. You must be a balance stud.
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Now how is it you are calling this board a "Lazy Boy?" At the miniscule dimensions of 6'6" x 26.77" x 3.96" x 82L, you would have to be anything but lazy to ride it. Seems like a workout riding that board to me.
Ha, yes I guess it is a little ironic. It has the same outline and rocker as Lost's Lazy Boy so I kept the name.
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If you're happy with it then that's all that counts! I see a bump in the deck profile view in your drawing. Or is that by design?
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Do you ever use the curvature analysis tool in Shape3d? Under "Display", "Curvature Always". This is a tool to see how smooth your curves are. I try to get a result like this on the deck. You can see the red line showing acceleration in curvature in the nose and tail but no wiggles otherwise. I'd be interested in seeing the curvature on your Lazy Boy deck. Hope this makes sense.
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If you're happy with it then that's all that counts! I see a bump in the deck profile view in your drawing. Or is that by design?
You have a good eye but it isn't a "bump" and it is by design.
The deck rocker is actually flat from 12" from tail to 12" to nose. What you are noticing is that it isn't dead level. It is slightly angled (by approx 0.5 degrees). This allows me to "sneak" an extra 1-2L of foam around the mid/forward section of the board. This helps with stability and paddling on a small SUP. It also removes a little foam from the rear of the board which helps with responsiveness and ability to bury the rail.
The following image helps illustrate:
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Thx for the data. It's been cool to watch you experiment.
I do like these shapes, I might have to play around a bit when it's time to cut a new one. You've definitely inspired me to go narrower for sure.
I think you called it on the extra volume up front. One of the behaviors I see in these shorter boards is a little dive in the nose when in a chop.
These things do look fun man.
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Thx for the data. It's been cool to watch you experiment.
I do like these shapes, I might have to play around a bit when it's time to cut a new one. You've definitely inspired me to go narrower for sure.
I think you called it on the extra volume up front. One of the behaviors I see in these shorter boards is a little dive in the nose when in a chop.
These things do look fun man.
Thanks. After finish sanding the Lazy Boy is going to be closer to 80-81L, very close in volume to my Hypto. It will be interesting to see how the ride and stability compares between the two different shapes with the same volume.
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That comparison is the hardest thing about this stuff.
Due to the expense of boards and lack of demo inventory in some areas this is hard stuff to get apples to apples info on. We all pass data back and forth but there's a ton of bias. I loved my first board, thought it was the best ever and now I'd probably not even be able to turn it, it would feel like a boat.
Building a few at similar size is really a great way to get more data on this.
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I finally finished the sanding, marked the boxes and sent the board off for glassing.
Final dims are approx 6-5.5" x 26.75" x 3.90" x 80L.
Basham's is going to do the glassing. I stayed with my standard glassing schedule: 4 + 4 + 6 deck patch (3/4) on top and 4 + 4 on the bottom. All standard E glass. Glassing is going to be more expensive than originally expected but not much higher than Pure Glass (who I used for my last board). With no color Basham's is approx $80 higher compared to Pure Glass. Pure Glass charges more for color work so that difference becomes smaller as you add colors (I am going with 2 colors on top).
Here's a final render of the board, let the wait begin...
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Working on a hypto style too!
Let's see some picks when yours is finished! 8)
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Lazy Boy SUP should be ready any day now (Bashams is sloooooooow). Your Hypto looks great! Please post more details. I have been riding my Hypto exclusively since November, it's an amazing board.
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I picked up the board yesterday (10.5 weeks). Weight is 11.5lbs, a little heavier than I was hoping for but not bad (my Hypto weighs less than 10lb). Glassing quality looks good with nice sharp rails on the business end. Here's a couple of "naked" pics. I should have the traction and rail tape on in the next couple of days. Hoping to get it out this weekend.
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Traction installed and ready to ride :-)
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It looks sweet!
Give a report ASAP
I bet DoHo is a bit more crowded with the Shark incident and San O closure etc!
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Board came out sweet!
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Board came out sweet!
Thank you. Bashams did a good job on the glassing and resin tint. They are just a little slow (10.5 weeks to glass).
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It looks sweet!
Thank you.
Give a report ASAP
I am going to need more sessions to get it dialed in before making a final judgement but here are my initial impressions:
* I should have gone shorter and/or narrower. The board is very stable and paddles well. It could be 2-3" inches shorter and 0.25" narrower and still be manageable.
* It is a little heavy: 12.5lbs with traction, fins, and leash. On the plus side the glass job is solid. I can already tell it is going to be more durable than my Hypto.
* The straight outline, low rocker, low tail vee, and wider squash tail make it less pivoty/snappy than my Hypto. I was able to get a couple of good snaps in so I know it is capable, I just need more time on the board.
* It has a large sweet spot.
* It performs round houses really well and throws a lot more spray on turns than my Hypto.
* I really like the nose rocker and more refined rail shape. I'll be using these on my future designs.
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Large sweet spot on such a small board. I bet that makes life a little easier when standing out back. Really nice board, anon. Even though it's not as snappy as your Hypto, I bet it's still pretty damn snappy. Love to see some video action!