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Stand Up Paddle => Gear Talk => Topic started by: southwesterly on March 08, 2012, 08:03:00 PM
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Stun Gun's.
9'2" X 30 1/4"
9'7" X 31".
8'2" X 28 3/4"
8'7" X 29 1/2".
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Nice.. Looks like Connors Starboard.. ;) .. Someone had to say it.. ;D
DJ
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Nice.. Looks like Connors Starboard.. ;) .. Someone had to say it.. ;D
DJ
Maybe it is. ;D
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Looks like a space jammer ;D Humm quite a pickle.
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DJ,
And you are just the guy TO SAY IT
Boards look nice
JimK
www.extremewindsurfing.com (http://www.extremewindsurfing.com)
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I have an 8'7 on the way!!! Can't wait...
Bye Jankie
PS. the board Connor was using is a Baby Bomb 10'0...
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Looks like a space jammer ;D Humm quite a pickle.
ummm...looks actually more like our Stoke line...;-)
9'2" x 30"...9'4" x 31"...9'6" x 30.5"...9'6" x 32"...etc...we're into our 2nd year of producing carbon SUP round pin mini-guns...
http://surfingsports.com/sups_wide_boards/album/sups_stoke_stoke_wide1.jpg (http://surfingsports.com/sups_wide_boards/album/sups_stoke_stoke_wide1.jpg)
http://surfingsports.com/images/supsports_sups0.jpg (http://surfingsports.com/images/supsports_sups0.jpg)
JL shapes a nice looking board, no doubt...
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That really does look like Wardog's Stoke line. I own a Stoke 9'6" Wide and was thinking the same thing.
On another note, the Stoke really surfs like a Channel Island's Biscuit which is a little 6' short board with a pin tail, same general shape, more float in the front of the board and less rocker so that you can fly down the line. It's really weird that my 9'6" Stoke really feels and rides like my 6'2" Biscuit. IMHO that's a high compliment to Wardog's Stoke because I NEVER would have believed a 9'6" board could possibly surf like it does. Still need to get it out in some overhead waves as we haven't had any since I got the board.
In SoCal I'm noticing a trend towards this sort of shape with more float, less rocker, round pin tail, quad set-up, since these boards work nearly ALL of the time, unlike those potato chip boards that work 3 days out of the year here unless you weigh 75 lbs.
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All of those boards look nice, but hat gloss on the last one that Wardog posted REALLY looks good. I wonder how it would do as far as getting warm in the sun. Throw a white deck pad on it and it would be just plain SEXY!!!!!!!
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That really does look like Wardog's Stoke line.
Umm, not really, but you could say that about every surfboard that has a pointy nose and round tail. The outline of the board really is not the whole enchilada and I'm sure there are more differences if you compared the rocker, foil, rail shape and bottom contours. But maybe Jimmy Lewis bought one and copied it. Yeah that's it. :P The Jimmy Lewis plan shape looks to have more curve a narrower nose and looks a bit thinner in the nose. But ok, looks like most every other surfboard out there.
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I've sold several containers of Jimmy's standups since they came on the market back in 2006...and, we sold JL kiteboards before that...so, I'm familiar with his shapes...
http://blog.surfingsports.com/2010/05/jimmy_lewis_striker.html (http://blog.surfingsports.com/2010/05/jimmy_lewis_striker.html)
http://www.surfingsports.com/labels/Jimmy%20Lewis%202010%20SUP.asp (http://www.surfingsports.com/labels/Jimmy%20Lewis%202010%20SUP.asp)
http://www.surfingsports.com/jimmy_lewis.asp (http://www.surfingsports.com/jimmy_lewis.asp)
As the post said...this is a new production shape for JL...not for us...
Even though I've ridden all shapes and styles of surfboards over the years, my surfboard quivers have primarily been comprised of round pin mini-guns of my own custom design and graphics...so, it's no surprise that my SUP line developed along those lines...not squash tails...swallow tails...big wide noserider noses...50/50 soft neutral rails...etc...
Even though I've played with a number of other design elements from my surfing experience, as well as the pool of surfboard DNA...not knocking them...I keep gravitating back to the classic look and function that I've had personal experience with for going on 4 decades...they look good and they work good...I arrived at that conclusion many years and thousands of waves ago...;-)
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Wardog has made an implication that Jimmy Lewis is copying his shapes. This thread, which started out about the JL prototype photos, seems to have turned into an ad for Wardog's boards, including links and photos. An accusation of copying or plagiarism should not be taken lightly. Wardog, If you truly believe that Jimmy has copied your shapes, please be clear so that he may respond accordingly. If you have no basis for the claim, please reconsider and retract such statements. They could be construed as accusations and start rumors which would damage Jimmy's reputation. I promise you that Jimmy is not even aware of the shapes that you produce.
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Wardog has made an implication that Jimmy Lewis is copying his shapes. This thread, which started out about the JL prototype photos, seems to have turned into an ad for Wardog's boards, including links and photos. An accusation of copying or plagiarism should not be taken lightly. Wardog, If you truly believe that Jimmy has copied your shapes, please be clear so that he may respond accordingly. If you have no basis for the claim, please reconsider and retract such statements. They could be construed as accusations and start rumors which would damage Jimmy's reputation. I promise you that Jimmy is not even aware of the shapes that you produce.
Sorry, I don't see anywhere that Wardog has even remotely claimed that JL copied his boards. He just said that they look like ones that he was already making. What do you want him to retract--his statement that they look like his boards? They do. That isn't an accusation that you're copying them.
And if this had been a thread started by JL about your new boards, Wardog's photos and links could certainly be considered a hijack. But it wasn't, plus the first few comments were about how the boards looked like some other boards, so his comments about the boards looking like his seemed relevant. That's just the way the thread drifted...
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Wardog has made an implication that Jimmy Lewis is copying his shapes. This thread, which started out about the JL prototype photos, seems to have turned into an ad for Wardog's boards, including links and photos. An accusation of copying or plagiarism should not be taken lightly. Wardog, If you truly believe that Jimmy has copied your shapes, please be clear so that he may respond accordingly. If you have no basis for the claim, please reconsider and retract such statements. They could be construed as accusations and start rumors which would damage Jimmy's reputation. I promise you that Jimmy is not even aware of the shapes that you produce.
First of all...who am I talking to here...Gary or Ken?
Secondly, my post was a tongue in cheek reply to Post #4...with a wink emoticon...which, if you follow this forum, is tangentially related to a blatant ripoff of the tail of my Jammer model...called the "Space Pickle"...with full page ads in the mags stating : "You've NEVER seen anything like this"...
As such, since it was a jab at a board model that I am involved with, I am free to respond as I did...it opened the door...fair game...
There will be no retraction in this posting...I said that it looks like our Stoke line in carbon that we have been producing since late 2010...I displayed graphics to show why I thought that...I wasn't the only one that thought that, sorry...read Post #8...
"That really does look like Wardog's Stoke line. I own a Stoke 9'6" Wide and was thinking the same thing."
"Wardog, If you truly believe that Jimmy has copied your shapes, please be clear so that he may respond accordingly."
There are no accusations, implications, or rumors coming from me as you imply...that's a weak case...but, you making that statement, could damage my reputation...;-)
I have 9 round pin / pulled nose shapes in my line...I pointed out that this shape is not new for us...that's a fact...
http://blog.surfingsports.com/2011/09/supsports-new-sup-models.html (http://blog.surfingsports.com/2011/09/supsports-new-sup-models.html)
Believe me, if I believed Jimmy was copying my shapes, I would be VERY clear...;-)
I gave Jimmy credit for his shaping skills in my post...and, countless times in my shop as I sold containers of his boards over the years...
Talk to poster #10...he talked about a board being bought and copied...not me...
I responded to the comment about the shape looking "like most every other surfboard out there"...with why mine look the way they do...I've been riding this style surfboard...mini-gun...for over 30 years...my sailboards look that way, as well...only natural that the bulk of my SUP's look that way...I can't say that about other SUP brand's shapes...the bulk of them have wide noses and either squash tails, or swallows...maybe that's changing now, as I see other kite companies have similar shapes coming out...F-One...Cabrinha...
"I promise you that Jimmy is not even aware of the shapes that you produce."
Not aware?...hmmmm...why is that so?
He doesn't do the internet...or what?
Starboard was aware and liked what I was doing and introduced a board line based off of it and gave me and my shaper, Art Colyer, credit...seems like other companies are paying attention...as a designer, I try to pay attention to what is happening...couldn't do my job effectively if I lived in a bubble...
As a shop and board brand owner I have to pay attention to be able to respond to our client's questions...
My Jammer has had over 14,500 on this forum...other shapes are in the 1000's...
http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php?board=37.0 (http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php?board=37.0)
My blog gets lots more traffic than that...by orders of magnitude...not to mention over 5000 friends and fans on Facebook...and, all of those views...maybe Jimmy defriended me?...;-)
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Wardog has made an implication that Jimmy Lewis is copying his shapes. This thread, which started out about the JL prototype photos, seems to have turned into an ad for Wardog's boards, including links and photos. An accusation of copying or plagiarism should not be taken lightly. Wardog, If you truly believe that Jimmy has copied your shapes, please be clear so that he may respond accordingly. If you have no basis for the claim, please reconsider and retract such statements. They could be construed as accusations and start rumors which would damage Jimmy's reputation. I promise you that Jimmy is not even aware of the shapes that you produce.
First of all...who am I talking to here...Gary or Ken?
Secondly, my post was a tongue in cheek reply to Post #4...with a wink emoticon...which, if you follow this forum, is tangentially related to a blatant ripoff of the tail of my Jammer model...called the "Space Pickle"...with full page ads in the mags stating : "You've NEVER seen anything like this"...
As such, since it was a jab at a board model that I am involved with, I am free to respond as I did...it opened the door...fair game...
There will be no retraction in this posting...I said that it looks like our Stoke line in carbon that we have been producing since late 2010...I displayed graphics to show why I thought that...I wasn't the only one that thought that, sorry...read Post #8...
"That really does look like Wardog's Stoke line. I own a Stoke 9'6" Wide and was thinking the same thing."
"Wardog, If you truly believe that Jimmy has copied your shapes, please be clear so that he may respond accordingly."
There are no accusations, implications, or rumors coming from me as you imply...that's a weak case...but, you making that statement, could damage my reputation...;-)
I have 9 round pin / pulled nose shapes in my line...I pointed out that this shape is not new for us...that's a fact...
http://blog.surfingsports.com/2011/09/supsports-new-sup-models.html (http://blog.surfingsports.com/2011/09/supsports-new-sup-models.html)
Believe me, if I believed Jimmy was copying my shapes, I would be VERY clear...;-)
I gave Jimmy credit for his shaping skills in my post...and, countless times in my shop as I sold containers of his boards over the years...
Talk to poster #10...he talked about a board being bought and copied...not me...
I responded to the comment about the shape looking "like most every other surfboard out there"...with why mine look the way they do...I've been riding this style surfboard...mini-gun...for over 30 years...my sailboards look that way, as well...only natural that the bulk of my SUP's look that way...I can't say that about other SUP brand's shapes...the bulk of them have wide noses and either squash tails, or swallows...maybe that's changing now, as I see other kite companies have similar shapes coming out...F-One...Cabrinha...
"I promise you that Jimmy is not even aware of the shapes that you produce."
Not aware?...hmmmm...why is that so?
He doesn't do the internet...or what?
Starboard was aware and liked what I was doing and introduced a board line based off of it and gave me and my shaper, Art Colyer, credit...seems like other companies are paying attention...as a designer, I try to pay attention to what is happening...couldn't do my job effectively if I lived in a bubble...
As a shop and board brand owner I have to pay attention to be able to respond to our client's questions...
My Jammer has had over 14,500 on this forum...other shapes are in the 1000's...
http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php?board=37.0 (http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php?board=37.0)
My blog gets lots more traffic than that...by orders of magnitude...not to mention over 5000 friends and fans on Facebook...and, all of those views...maybe Jimmy defriended me?...;-)
Space Pickle! This is all your fault!!!
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as an admirer of shapes...(total set up line)...
...the stun gun appears to have a more pronounced nose rocker, slightly less volume in the hips and shoulders than Wardog's shapes, and is probably a transitional blend of the stoke, joe blair's designs and a couple of Ron House's customs I've seen recently. The boards do look similar but I believe the integrity of both shapers and the ref in me says "play on."
Our sport is in the refining process. Good ideas abound, and proven shapes are becoming the standard. I'm happy to be able to reap the benefits of all the testing and innovation.
-SOJ
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You know what, they all look like surfboards to me!
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Hello friends,
the Stun Gun is a Jimmy development of his Baby Bomb!
The picture with the black mat finish are the PLUG that will be used for make the mold!
The only similarity is the color and the fact that they are a pintail.
The Stun Gun are truster and measurement are totally different same as the volume.
Here is the picture of how the boards will looks like.
Bye Jankie
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And here are the first official pictures of the production Stun Gun..
Bye Jankie