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Stand Up Paddle => Gear Talk => Topic started by: Big Al on January 28, 2012, 05:28:27 AM
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Anyone know when these boards will be avialable? I see the Infinity shop had a big release party but there not on the Boardworks webpage yet....what's the deal?
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Anyone know when these boards will be avialable? I see the Infinity shop had a big release party but there not on the Boardworks webpage yet....what's the deal?
The Boardworks rep told me that we should start getting them next month...
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wow what a bummer, another great company bites the dust.
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wow what a bummer, another great company bites the dust.
What makes you that? The partnership with Boardworks? They still make custom boards.
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Most likely referring to the fact that Inifinity now has Chinese made boards.
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You can look at is as a negative or a positive. Now they have the opportunity to reach a broader marker and have better brand penetration. Sales out side of the USA bring money back into the country. On top of that, not everyone is suited or ready for a custom board.
I'm a big fan of buying local, but the reality is somethings are going to be made in other countries.
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Infinity has had surftech boards for years. What's the difference?
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boardworks=crap bigger market crappy production
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boardworks=crap bigger market crappy production
I can't imagine that boardworks is larger production than surftech. Why so down on boardworks? The two boardworks boards I've owned (PSH and C4) have been good quality boards. Way better than a GSI board that I had briefly. They seemed the equal of the the Surftech Laird I started with and almost as nice as the Naish 7'8 I'm riding now. And certainly equal to if not better quality than the starboard 7'11 that's gathering dust in my garage.
Just not sure how you can be so gung ho for starboard and naish production boards and rip so hard on boardworks. They're all made over seas in giant factories. They're all overpriced. I consider them all the same. I'm looking forward to a custom board in the near future.
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Anyone know when these boards will be avialable? I see the Infinity shop had a big release party but there not on the Boardworks webpage yet....what's the deal?
March 2012 Big Al
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boardworks=crap bigger market crappy production
Come on Newton!
theyre not crap-and infinity will also still make you a custom board
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It is good for Infinity. Great designs for anyone who wants a taste without the wait or price of the custom board. Once they ride it and get a feel for it they can go back to Steve or Dave and have them make a custom based on the pop out experience.
I have a PSH from boardworks and it's holding up great. Very durable and looks much nicer than other boards of the same use/age.
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It cracks me up when everyone talks about "pop-outs" and production boards with a negative slant, yet its what 90% of us are riding. Your bicycles are pop-out, your car is a pop-out, your snowboards and skis are pop-outs. Move on.
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Are these things on the market yet - I've seen one in person, a rep had it, but haven't heard any feedback from riders. The boards look great and the rep. told me they would sell for $1150? Anyone out there tried one - please review!!
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I saw them at the Expo. They looked great, but they were definitely heavier than what you would get going through Infinity custom. That said, I'll probably bring some into the shop.
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Made in China.
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It cracks me up when everyone talks about "pop-outs" and production boards with a negative slant, yet its what 90% of us are riding. Your bicycles are pop-out, your car is a pop-out, your snowboards and skis are pop-outs. Move on.
Amen. You have a cell phone? It's made overseas. Toys for your kids? Likely made overseas. Get over it. I buy American when I can, when the quality is there, when the price it's reasonable, etc. welcome to a global economy. Heck, having the competition had probably kept us Americans striving all that much more to better our processes and products... Besides, people that complain along these lines are usually like outspoken animal rights activists who wear leather shoes...
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I come to this from the perspective of someone who has surfed his whole life and had good friends that were shapers... but am just getting into SUP.
Whatever its worth, my 2 cents: Personally, I see no negative at all with a shaper making his OWN designs/intellectual property available to a greater market by offering factory made boards. I DO see a critical advantage in that a reputable shaper can stay in business, make a respectable living and compete with "those other companies". What others do I speak of? Those who have no background in the sport, surf industry/in board shaping and design... that basically leach off of the years of experience, trial and error of others by directly copying board shapes and designs and punching out inferior, but highly marketed look alikes to a mass market at low prices.
There IS a place for factory made boards, just as before they appeared, shapers were mass producing "off the rack", middle of the road generic designed surfboards for every shop in town. It was this business that kept them afloat and available to do what they love, create one off custom designs for more discriminating, experienced customers. I see the factory made boards the same way I did an off the rack surfboard- as a good starting point for someone new to the sport to get himself "in the neighborhood" with board shape and size without paying an arm and a leg. As someone progresses, they are more inclined to know what they want and demand a more refined, custom board. The fact that someone like Steve Boehne and any other well established shaper can provide the first option, assures that he'll be around to provide the second, as well as push the limits on future improvements. That is a plus for all of us! Put the local shapers out of business and we are all screwed as they are the ones that push the envelope with research, development... are in touch with and a part of the grass roots of the sport- surfers!
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back to reality; anyone have any in shops yet? Weights? Pics?
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I come to this from the perspective of someone who has surfed his whole life and had good friends that were shapers... but am just getting into SUP.
Whatever its worth, my 2 cents: Personally, I see no negative at all with a shaper making his OWN designs/intellectual property available to a greater market by offering factory made boards. I DO see a critical advantage in that a reputable shaper can stay in business, make a respectable living and compete with "those other companies". What others do I speak of? Those who have no background in the sport, surf industry/in board shaping and design... that basically leach off of the years of experience, trial and error of others by directly copying board shapes and designs and punching out inferior, but highly marketed look alikes to a mass market at low prices.
There IS a place for factory made boards, just as before they appeared, shapers were mass producing "off the rack", middle of the road generic designed surfboards for every shop in town. It was this business that kept them afloat and available to do what they love, create one off custom designs for more discriminating, experienced customers. I see the factory made boards the same way I did an off the rack surfboard- as a good starting point for someone new to the sport to get himself "in the neighborhood" with board shape and size without paying an arm and a leg. As someone progresses, they are more inclined to know what they want and demand a more refined, custom board. The fact that someone like Steve Boehne and any other well established shaper can provide the first option, assures that he'll be around to provide the second, as well as push the limits on future improvements. That is a plus for all of us! Put the local shapers out of business and we are all screwed as they are the ones that push the envelope with research, development... are in touch with and a part of the grass roots of the sport- surfers!
Well said fellow Danapointian! ;)
as the proud owner of several infinitys i am obviously a bit biased and dont mind saying so-SB is a living legend and a smart business man-as are his wife and two sons. Support your local shaper when you can and if you dont have a local shaper go with something that fits your needs and budget-as you progress you will do yourself a huge favor by hitting up and starting a relationship with your local shaper-theres really nothing like it in all recreational sport. Hobie-Coreban-Kings-Blair-Imagine-Naish-etc.. they are all well established and all make great boards. Yes there are poachers out there-there always will be at the advent of a new sport-but time will weed them out and the good ones will thrive.
Have not ridden the Boardworks board yet but have friends who have and they love em-Infinity has sent several to Slater Trout in HI and im guessing this summer we will be seeing him bombing around all over the world on his model-(geez man where did i go wrong!?) :D
Anyway run what you brung-quit yer bitchin and hand wringing over what others are riding and get out there-none of us are gettin any younger!
Hey H20Moloa-so when do you think Tpat and others will get into SUP!? ::) :o
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Here is Timmy's latest SUP.
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What size is that TPatterson board? It looks sick... Have you ridden it?
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Sick, as in not well.
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My word people love having an opinion. :-\
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Ha! true that Giant... course... without-em.... this forum would be left with what... the classifieds?
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wow-i was totally not expecting Tpat to go sup-not that he has-and if he does i think its great-hes a super respected shaper and would definitely not be a band waggoner in the sense that hes not an established and respected shaper and is some hack that slapped his name on someone elses shapes.
I think we will see more shapers entering the market in the near future-the $$ is there.
TD is that yours?-havent seen you on it-i would love to try one of his sups.
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Ha! true that Giant... course... without-em.... this forum would be left with what... the classifieds?
Touché. I guess I meant broad-sweeping, over-generalized opinions.
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If thats a SUP, I'd like to see someone on it. Looks like a bloated surfboard to me. Dims must be 6'10" x 26". Doesn't seem possible except for preteens.
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That T Patterson would be a prone stick for me. It's 8'2 x 28 1/8" x 4.13 SUP for a local SUP SoCal ripper most of us know or know of. T___Ll____y.. Mums the word......
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Come mid-summer doldrums, a few weeks straight of mush-burger waves, I usually find myself wishing / fantasizing I was 13 & weighing about a buck-five again. Come to think of it... it's why I just took up SUP. I'm a simpleton.... more time in water / day = greater happiness quotient.
Hey giant... actually, I was reminding myself more than anything.
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That T Patterson would be a prone stick for me. It's 8'2 x 28 1/8" x 4.13 SUP for a local SUP SoCal ripper most of us know or know of. T___Ll____y.. Mums the word......
Talk at the "Patch" is that TPat has leased the shop next to his for some e-x-p-a-n-s-i-o-n space and some room to get into the SUPs.
Supposedly been testing the SUPs for the past couple of months, but no one seems to know where (ain't no one seen 'em at dpatch)......someone even joked, "wave pool???" ;D ;D
Oh BTW, thanks again, the shower worked wonderful yesterday......to bad the waves didn't. ;) ;D
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That T Patterson would be a prone stick for me. It's 8'2 x 28 1/8" x 4.13 SUP for a local SUP SoCal ripper most of us know or know of. T___Ll____y.. Mums the word......
yeah i heard that too TD from a trusted source-havent seen TL on it or anything but his shortie at Creek in a long time-that kid is one talented surfer-i will say im a bit suprised that Tpat is looking into it-heard a few comments from him in years past that were definitely not SUP friendly-whatever-more talented shapers and more options-now if i could just find a wave to myself like a few years back....
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I'd be very interested in trying one of those, and the reason you haven't seen it at Dogpatch is that it probably wouldn't be that fun there unless it was real low tide with some push to it. Looks like it needs a pocket to turn in and there ain't many of those there.
As far as volume goes, probably not much less than what I ride and I'm not that small.
As for the Infinity- I switched over to sandwich McTavishes before jumping to SUP. Broke a couple, got the same model, didn't skip a beat. I kinda liked that.
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One would be better served evaluating a board/company be it a pop out or custom by actually using the board using it/them. Passing judgement on a proven board company with your vast amount of presumed manufacturing knowledge is wreak less at the very least. Why is it some feel the need to tell everyone else how to run a company , build a board and what others should should ride? Until one has puts their money and time into establishing and running a business I ignore post by individuals passing out their free unsubscribed information. Found the same B S in surfing and windsurfing. After 40 + yrs of all the above I have found I can't pass judgment until I ride it.
Then again I'm a blue collar left brain in the trenches type guy. As for Sup boards,
I'v had eight so far since the summer of 07. Some were pop outs some were custom. Some by big name brands and some start up companies. Some were built will and rode well. Some feel apart. Some I thought would ride well and didn't and some performed beyond my expectations. Finally settled on the 3 that meet all the conditions that I go out in
Until you take some risk and put your wallet on the line, try a little less yapping !
And no I don't own any Infinity boards or am associated with them. However I was a self employed Hvac contractor an know something about the risk of operating a business.
I own 3 boards from 3 different manufactures based on performance and durability.
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Glider did you stay at a Holiday Inn last night! ;)
I hear you on the self-employed gig-same here-and in California-land of regulations.
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I saw that TPatt SUP board in his shaping room, but didn't ask about its destination. I know that one motivation at least for Timmy to get into SUP is that his wife wanted a flatwater board. I paddled it at the Mongoose Cup, and it felt fast. It was the first SUP he had shaped. I guess that guy has some deeply intuitive understanding of how surf craft move through water... or something. :)
I'm thinking about having Timmy shape a 14' flatwater board. He says that he has some good ideas on how to make it fast, and unique.
I'm very grateful that Timmy is stoked on our Waste to Waves (http://www.wastetowaves.org) program. He has been a tremendous help to my new NGO, and he has always had the "reuse everything" kind of attitude. Since somebody mentioned his new surf shop space... Here's two photos of the "reclaimed" checkout counter in different lifecycle stages.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-OZRpwPuBMg0/TzA_iWMMlpI/AAAAAAAAAPI/ttQ5xlBkdKA/s768/IMG_20120206_125940.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-3FvFE7IC3hw/T10D5cExXvI/AAAAAAAAAV8/3e6ABbcXwPM/s1024/IMG_20120311_125738.jpg)
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very cool- i hope TPat does start shaping Sups-now thats a guy that knows how to shape and could definitely make a great contribution to my quiver.
He seems to me like a guy that does what he wants and could not care less if he jumps into Sups and hears about it from the mass of angry shortboarders who worship him.
More qualified shapers shaping more awesome sups is just a win-win.
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very cool- i hope TPat does start shaping Sups-now thats a guy that knows how to shape and could definitely make a great contribution to my quiver.
He seems to me like a guy that does what he wants and could not care less if he jumps into Sups and hears about it from the mass of angry shortboarders who worship him.
More qualified shapers shaping more awesome sups is just a win-win.
+1!!!!
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It wasn't me, I'm in Cambria, building a new bathroom for my 1250 sq ft mansion on the central coast. Costly, it's the wife's Christmas gift for this year and next, the cost of her never complaining about all the standup surfing and windsurfing I do. Should be done by mid May.
paddle on !
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It wasn't me, I'm in Cambria, building a new bathroom for my 1250 sq ft mansion on the central coast. Costly, it's the wife's Christmas gift for this year and next, the cost of her never complaining about all the standup surfing and windsurfing I do. Should be done by mid May.
paddle on !
Mid May!!!!!! I hope you keep your priorities straight, serious wind starts in two weeks!
You may want to consider some fancy upgrades in that bathroom, no way is that bathroom going to be done by mid May. ;)
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You know me, All work usually happens around the wind or surf ! I hope the wind starts soon ! Being retired has its perks !
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very cool- i hope TPat does start shaping Sups-now thats a guy that knows how to shape and could definitely make a great contribution to my quiver.
He seems to me like a guy that does what he wants and could not care less if he jumps into Sups and hears about it from the mass of angry shortboarders who worship him.
More qualified shapers shaping more awesome sups is just a win-win.
Good call!
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Come on...has anybody surfed the new boardworks infinity boards - I would love to hear a review on the board????
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I saw at least 3 different guys demoing the Boardworks Slater Trout boards today. They all had big smiles!
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I'm not sure what you're looking for from a demo day review, but here's my $0.02. If you are looking at the 8.5, etc, I'm not your man.
I rode the Trout 10x29x3 7/8 today. Really fun ride, even though DogPatch was just that, patchy. Got a couple nice peaks to get a reasonable feel for the board. I would recommend it for anyone 250 (decent balance) or less looking for a performance longboard shape. I weighed in a 247 this morning and found it floated me like my 9x29.5x4.25 Coreban Fusion. I was very comfortable on the board. It has less nose rocker, so I had to play around with my stance to keep the nose up without swamping the tail. The board is more uniform in thickness than my Fusion, which carries most of the volume towards the front half of the board where you stand. The Boardworks Trout board isn't the lightest, but I would let that steer me away from the purchase. I'm sure I could have rode the 9' Trout okay since there was little surface bump, but its narrower and probably best suited for riders >220# (experienced).
I like the colors that the Infinity guys have going on. Nice to see something other than wood, white and painted rails. The guys riding the sub-9's had nothing but good things to say. One negative - shallow handle. Shallow handles suck. The new Coreban Core-handles are the best thing I've ever seen and others should copy them asap if they are not patented. Again, I would not steer away/to a board for the handle alone.
Infinity shapes are going to be solid and the boards coming from Boardworks, Naish, Coreban, Starboard, etc are pretty much going to be consistent in quality. Find a shape you like from any of the popular manufacturers and rip on.
board photos
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=378834475496040&set=a.135091989870291.15414.127061974006626&type=1&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=378834475496040&set=a.135091989870291.15414.127061974006626&type=1&theater)
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Thanks H2Oman - I'm particularly interested in the 8'5" and 7'11" - the width looks narrow but there's always more to it than width alone. I'm on the Naish Hokua 7'8" now and loving it but always interested in my next favorite board. Thanks
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I Demo'd the 8'5" TL back in March.
My take:
Nice Colors and finish.
Board is heavy for it's size and from what you'd expect from Infinity.
I like the shape and the rails.
Not keen on the fin placement, front side bites are too far forward.
Creates stiff handling even in quad.
Performance:
This board has adequate flotation for me at 185#.
Sits flat on the water at this displacement.
Down the line the board really accelerates and holds.
There is a lack of tail rocker combined with the forward fin placement
making this board hard to power off the tail and kick out.
I tried many fin configurations.
Quad was just too stiff with the fins being spaced so far apart.
2-1 is much better but still stiff.
The last fin combo I tried worked as good as I could expect.
Scimitar Side Bites and a 6.5 Hatchet (Futures), forward in the box for
as loose a set up as I could make it.
The Testing was done at a beach break with barreling waves for the most part.
Head high waves breaking down the line.
I suspect that at a more gradual break this fin set up might work well.
Hope that helps,
Ralph
Sup-position
Huntington Beach, California, USA
(714) 899-3020
www.Sup-position.com (http://www.Sup-position.com)
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I am trying to get the 9'0" Slater Trout and Carver to Demo.
Will keep you posted.
Ralph
Sup-position
Huntington Beach, California, USA
(714) 899-3020
www.Sup-position.com (http://www.Sup-position.com)