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Title: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: Muskoka SUP on June 17, 2011, 02:08:34 PM
Well, after waiting months for this, here it is, the Starboard Coast Runner 14 in AST
(I thought the Melbourne bunch - DJ, PTwoody or Jonothan would get the first scoop...) ;D

I drove down to Silent Sports in Toronto to pick it up on Tues


I've paddled it for the last 3 days.....So much for 12'-6" boards......I'll follow this up with another report very soon

cheers

David S.
Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: JonathanC on June 17, 2011, 02:17:42 PM
Wow Muskoka, that looks really nice!!

Please let us know your impressions. Way less rocker than the Open Ocean, I had my Open Ocean on the trailer next to an F16 V2 yesterday and the nose rocker of the two board was remarkably similar. I think DJ got some photos comparing them.

Would be interesting to see how the rocker of the Coast Runner compares to the Ace 14.

Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: Muskoka SUP on June 17, 2011, 02:40:51 PM
Thanks Jonathan...I think it was your report on the Open Ocean that inspired my rampant materialistic quest for the Coast Runner......(My wife gets the FreeRace.....works everytime... ;))

The only other 14 that I've paddled is a Bark Dominator.... the Coast Runner seems just as fast in light chop, but there's a lot of water splashing off of the nose....unlike the Dom, which cuts though the water silently.  The big diff is that downwind (only light, 10 knot winds so far), the CR takes off.....it wants to glide....

I can't wait for a downwinder....though arranging shuttles around here with only a couple of us into it, is difficult.

It paddles through boat wake (big wakeboard towboat wake) easily, the water sloughs off of the nose, and if it pokes deeply, it resurfaces with composure....no crazy side to side movement, etc.   It is really stable, as you noted with your Open Ocean.
(but not as stable as my FreeRace 31.....I could dance on that.... though my wife has told me to never, ever, dance. :D)

I'm heading out tomorrow for a paddle with a friend, so I'll get some real pics of it in the water.....


David S.
Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: bing on June 17, 2011, 06:52:50 PM
Hey Moskaka - how does it compare to the Dominator for stability ?  Keep us posted on this board and how it downwinds.  Kind of toying with getting an Open Ocean since I already have a Dominator.

Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: DavidJohn on June 17, 2011, 08:52:53 PM
Wow Muskoka, that looks really nice!!

Please let us know your impressions. Way less rocker than the Open Ocean, I had my Open Ocean on the trailer next to an F16 V2 yesterday and the nose rocker of the two board was remarkably similar. I think DJ got some photos comparing them.

Would be interesting to see how the rocker of the Coast Runner compares to the Ace 14.



Those comparo pics are here.. http://www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/SUP/Point-Cook/ (http://www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/SUP/Point-Cook/)

Very different boards.. Very similar rockers.

DJ

(http://i774.photobucket.com/albums/yy27/djp-3/P6170048Medium.jpg)

Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: PT Woody on June 18, 2011, 03:39:49 AM
It' a beautiful beast. And O see you have the Larry Allison bat fin. Nice combo.
Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: Muskoka SUP on June 18, 2011, 04:59:46 AM
Yeah, the Bat fin came off of my Freerace immediately, without even trying the stock dolphin type fin that came with the CR.  I put that on the Freerace...maybe I should switch back....what ja think?  (I seem to recall seeing the batfin on your new-to-you New, P.T.....have you tried it on any other of your boards?

Bing - The Dom and the CR have a very similar feel...a bit of a loose initial stability, but they both firm up the same way.  Your foot position relative to the waterline is similar, and they both have soft rails, with a fairly flat bottom....though the CR has that concave down the middle.  Again, the only real difference seems to be in the nose, and the volume....the CR floats my 190lbs a bit better.  It also feels stiffer, and certainly more of a solid build....though it weighs about 30 lbs.

I'll try to hook up with my friend who has the Bark and do a side to side comparison...

David S.

Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: PT Woody on June 19, 2011, 02:16:26 AM
I use the bat fin on my 2010 New and 2010 14' Elite Race but the 12'6" Race that I just got a couple weeks ago came with the white dolphin fin and I haven't taken that off yet. I think the white dolphin fin is much better than last year's bamboo fin that came standard with the 2010 race boards. They looked nice but I damaged both of them. And I don't think they worked all that well anyway. I might yet try the bat fin on the 12'6" Race in place of the dolphin fin. Took that board on a downwinder today and it felt very jittery in the tail. Maybe Larry's fins would work better.
Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: Muskoka SUP on June 19, 2011, 01:47:55 PM
Okay, this board gets better and better all the time.....

Paddled it downwind (about 15 knots sustained....still light but good) and it just wants to glide.  Only got in about a 5 km run, but enough to open my eyes to the possibilities.

It paddles into the wind okay too.  With all the volume in the nose, I moved forwards to where my toes are at the edge of the grip pad.  It has a very different feel than my Freerace, which seems to cut through any waves....the Coast Runner has this floaty-surfy feel in the nose...kinda reminds me of a creek boat (downriver whitewater kayak for those not in the know...). Brian Szymanski certainly is on to something here. 8)

Sorry, no pics just yet.  Too busy trying to fit paddles into my schedule.....I'll get some of it on the water real soon, promise.

PTwoody - the Larry Allison Bat fin is a nice fit for this board.  Though I should probably try the stock dolphin fin, I can't see it being any better than the batfin.  So I'll put it on my Freerace.....I agree that the Freeraces stock bamboo fin was for looks only.

BTW, another great thing about this board are the handles.....night and day improvement over the centre recess handhold.


David S.
Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: robon on June 19, 2011, 03:38:28 PM
Finally some pictures and feed back on the CR. Looks great and the lower rocker should be more efficient for lake paddling. Keep the updates coming. What do you think of the CR as a long distance touring board?  Got a 12'6" 31.5" Race this spring and I'm looking forward to checking out the Coast Runner.
Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: Muskoka SUP on June 20, 2011, 05:42:27 AM
Here's a few more pics of the Coast Runner in the water, and side by side with the 2010 Freerace (discontinued this year for some reason...)

Robon:  If by long distance touring you mean adding some tie downs and bungees to lash a dry bag on etc, then I think it would depend on your weight.  At 190 lbs, the CR, at about 310 litres (I think..) is a good volume for my weight...I think adding a significant load to it would take away it's great performance.  Of course I'd have to test that theory to be able to tell for sure.  It might be just fine.  It sure is a fast board, upwind and downwind.  Even side chop doesn't bother it, the soft rounded rails just float it up and over.

David S.
Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: PT Woody on June 20, 2011, 07:05:17 AM

BTW, another great thing about this board are the handles.....night and day improvement over the centre recess handhold.


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Yeah I am very happy with the handles on the 12'6" Race. You're right, they're a massive improvement on an often poorly placed centre recess handhold. I think I'll buy some after market handles for the 2010 14'er.
Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: hdearing on June 20, 2011, 09:13:45 AM
After looking closely at the posted pics, I am really interested in riding this board. I have the 2010 14 foot Elite Race and that board sports what appears to be way more rocker than this new board, but in the photo of it in the water, the bow clears the water line at about the same point as my board?  Maybe I am just seeing things. Would love to see a side by side with the new Open Ocean and the 2010 Elite Race to really see the differences.


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Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: robon on June 20, 2011, 10:04:39 AM
The CR has more rocker than I originally thought. Looks like a bit more rocker than the 12'6" Race for this year. Looks like a blast to ride.

Yeah, I meant distance touring and any non racing board I get will have, or I will put tie down plugs on for a small dry bag at the very least. A significant load will make just about any SUP paddle a lot worse I'm thinking. The CR has a lot of volume so you should be able to stuff a couple of small dry bags with food, extra clothes, etc for a long day on the water and not have to worry about the handling too much.

It's good that the your board handles well in all conditions. That's what I like about my Race as well. Rough water is no problem. I will be considering the CR when I decide to get a 14 footer.
Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: Wavecloud on June 21, 2011, 04:54:49 AM
Hi Muskoka SUP

That board does look very nice and I have my name on one of the first that will arrive in the UK, hopefully in the next few weeks, as far as I know.

I have just had the pleasure of paddling a Starboard Point 14'8 for 60 miles around the Scottish West Coast islands. I would really like to purchase this board off of the man who loaned it to me, Nick from http://www.thesupstore.co.uk/ (http://www.thesupstore.co.uk/) but they love it too much!

So the Coast Runner is my next option. Does anybody know how the 14' Coast Runner compares to the 14'8 Point To Point??

Here is the link to a blog of my Hebrides Adventure -

http://www.songofthepaddle.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?30632-Close-to-the-Edge-Lismore-Mull-amp-Loch-Sunart (http://www.songofthepaddle.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?30632-Close-to-the-Edge-Lismore-Mull-amp-Loch-Sunart)
Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: Muskoka SUP on June 21, 2011, 05:26:35 AM
Hi Wavecloud......another Dave, eh? Guess that's why we have forum names...

Nice blog/adventure.....always nice to see other parts of the world from a different perspective. 

As for the Point, that sure looks like a SIC/Raaphorst designed board....maybe some other more informed Zoners could chime in about now....

No idea how that would compare to the CoastRunner, but if it is in fact a Raaphorst downwind type board, then you'll be very happy with the CoastRunner, as it is definitely downwind oriented.  I'm not sure if you could load it up as much as the Point that you had, but I guess that depends on your expectations (of performance...)

Here's a few more pics of me on the board the other day in some pretty flat water. It shows a bit better the waterline of the board loaded...with me (190lbs).  Still some rocker in the nose showing, but not as much as you might think given the pic of it floating unloaded.

David S.

Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: hdearing on June 21, 2011, 08:54:41 AM
Thanks for the additional pics Dave. Definitely less rocker than the Elite Race. I recently have had the opportunity to paddle a 14 Bark Expedition extensively and although it is an awesome board, I seem to always grab for my Elite Race when it is time to hit the water. With my luck Starboard will introduce a 16 or 18 foot board which will be my next "must have" board (replacing my current "must have", the Naish 17). I need a better paying job!


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Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: lee on June 21, 2011, 10:40:08 PM
I wonder if we started a 18' starboard rumor could it come true..??
At least I can dream.....
Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: robon on June 23, 2011, 11:47:46 AM
Definitely a much tighter water line when you are on the board. I looked at my SB race unweighted in the water yesterday and it looked very similar to yours with the amount of rocker above the water, but once on the board it's not excessive. Makes sense. The CR looks like a really good compromise between flat water paddling and DW performance. Keep the updates coming.
Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: sbsup11 on June 23, 2011, 11:59:49 AM
14' Coast runner rings a bell...

http://www.standuppaddlesurf.net/2009/09/23/surftech-pearson-laird-14-the-coast-runner-sup-board/ (http://www.standuppaddlesurf.net/2009/09/23/surftech-pearson-laird-14-the-coast-runner-sup-board/)
Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: rkdjones on June 23, 2011, 12:19:30 PM
Sorry for getting a bit off subject, but Wow Wavecloud.  What a great adventure.  I thought you had to be a different species to tour on a SUP (like the guy who circumnavigated Vancouver Island in Canada).  But it looks like it might be doable for even somebody like me.  I used to kayak tour here in Puget Sound (NW USA) and would love to load up a board with camping gear.  Robert
Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: Muskoka SUP on June 23, 2011, 02:44:15 PM
sbsup11:   I wondered about the name right from the start.  The Surftech Pearson "Coast Runner" might actually be a good fit for Wavecloud's touring aspirations.  Great rep as a loaded workhorse.  Totally different animal from the Starboard Coastrunner.

That being said, notice what board that Bart de Zwart is using for his Hawaiian Island paddle...the Open Ocean 14....same board as the CoastRunner 14 with more rocker in the nose. http://www.sup-crossing.blogspot.com/ (http://www.sup-crossing.blogspot.com/)
Note his load.


Back on topic....I paddled the CR upwind then downwind yesterday, "earning" my downwinder....this board is the cat's ass.  Not that I've ever figured out the exact meaning or origin of that saying... ???  Just sayin'.

I also returned to using the Allison "batfin" after trying the stock dolphin style fin that came with the board.  I think it's a better fin for my inland lake paddling, which more often than not, turns into a flat water workout this time of year.....

David S.
Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: Argosi on June 23, 2011, 09:35:25 PM
Muskoka SUP, nice looking board. How long did it take to get to Silent Sports after you ordered it?

Interesting to see that the 14' Coast Runner is $400 cheaper than the 14' Open Ocean.

I'd also like to hear how you find the board compared with the Bark Dominator. I've paddled the Dominator a few times and like it very much.  Although I've never paddled the Coast Runner, I'm guessing that the Dom is better for upwind and flat water conditions while the Coast Runner is better for downwind.

I usually paddle a Starboard NEW, which I've just found to be a blast in mild downwind conditions - it would be fun in heavier conditions as well if I could stay on it..maybe with more practice.  I've got a Starboard SUPer 12'6" which is very nice in rough downwind conditions but I'll probably sell it and get something a little faster with better glide so I'm thinking about the Dominator, but the Coast Runner sure is tempting for downwinders.

If you ever get down to Toronto and want to paddle, let me know. Are you coming to the Toronto races in early July? One of them is a "downwinder" - although it's unlikely there will be much wind on Lake Ontario in July.
Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: JonathanC on June 23, 2011, 11:16:34 PM

Back on topic....I paddled the CR upwind then downwind yesterday, "earning" my downwinder....this board is the cat's ass.  Not that I've ever figured out the exact meaning or origin of that saying... ???  Just sayin'.


Well I've heard of a board being the 'duck's nuts' not so sure about the cat's ass though ;D

Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 24, 2011, 12:22:18 AM
cat's pajamas JC, cat's pajamas.

 :)
Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: Muskoka SUP on June 24, 2011, 05:12:30 AM
Argosi:  I ordered it from Silent Sports back in the beginning of March.  When I picked it up a week or so ago, I was told that it was the first Coast Runner recieved by the North American distributor, Trident in Vancouver.   8)

Not sure why the price diff between the C.R. and the Open Ocean. Supply and demand?

As for comparing the Dom to the C.R., I still haven't paddled them side by side. My take on it would be to say that they are pretty equal in upwind speed for me....the Dom is about 260 litres in volume, the C.R. about 310, so that may have a bit of an influence on how they paddle.  They both feel similar in that they have a slight roll side to side, ie. initial stability.  That firms up once under power.  The C.R. is very stable in side chop as well....I have yet to swim paddling it.   Downwind, I'm guessing the C.R. would leave the Bark in its wake very quickly.  It's just that good.

All that being said, I wouldn't mind having a Dominator too.  A bit more of a flatwater race board.....

Toronto?  Well, I saw the race posted somewhere else, and if it turned out to truly be a "downwinder" then by all means I'd make an effort to show up.  Like you said though, not much wind in July and August.  I have a lot of other downwind runs much closer to me  (Parry Sound area, Collingwood - Wasaga Beach, Lake Simcoe etc) when the wind blows.   P.M me if you're heading up this way this summer, lots of places to hook up for a paddle.

David S.
Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: Easy Rider on June 24, 2011, 03:45:32 PM
Argosi - - I have both Carbon and Epoxy Coast Runners in stock. 
And Open Ocean in Epoxy as well.   

Just sayin'

Warren
Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: coolhead on June 24, 2011, 04:24:13 PM
What is the weight difference between the Epoxy and Carbon Coast Runners?

Coolhead
Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: DavidJohn on June 24, 2011, 05:43:37 PM
What is the weight difference between the Epoxy and Carbon Coast Runners?

Coolhead

I have friends with both and felt them both.. You can notice the difference but it's not huge.. I'm guessing about 2kgs (4-5lbs)

DJ
Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: pdxmike on June 25, 2011, 04:00:21 PM
cat's pajamas JC, cat's pajamas.

 :)
"Cat's ass" in within a gnat's ass of "cat's pajamas", so who gives a rat's pajamas?   ;D  lmfpo
Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: JonathanC on June 27, 2011, 01:34:30 PM
Ok starting to think this one through, seems to me that cat's pyjamas, ducks nut, cat's ass are units of quality or awesomeness. Bee's d1ck and knats ass are units of measure.

And I was just starting to come to terms with metric and imperial..... :D
Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: LaPerouseBay on June 27, 2011, 02:04:30 PM
Bee's knees JC, bee's knees.

:)
Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: Muskoka SUP on June 27, 2011, 03:11:52 PM
Next time, I guess I'll just say that I really like the Coast Runner.  ;D

Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: pdxmike on June 27, 2011, 03:23:35 PM
Next time, I guess I'll just say that I really like the Coast Runner.  ;D
Actually, you should feel free to use whatever expression you want, and the rest of us should mind our own beesknees.   ;D
Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: Muskoka SUP on June 29, 2011, 03:06:30 PM
Found this youtube vid of Brian Szymanski discussing his "14' california version surfrace"...certainly looks and sounds like the Coast Runner...

Brian Szymanski discussing his 14' Surf Race prototype SUP Race board (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IntoNpL7Hyw#)

Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: viatormundi on August 07, 2011, 03:21:00 PM
What is the weight difference between the Epoxy and Carbon Coast Runners?

Coolhead

I have friends with both and felt them both.. You can notice the difference but it's not huge.. I'm guessing about 2kgs (4-5lbs)

DJ

I find this board interesting too. Suitable for choppy waters of Mediterranean. The question is if the price difference between carbon and epoxy board is worth it, if the weight difference is about 2 kgs.
Title: Re: 2011 Starboard 14 Coast Runner
Post by: Muskoka SUP on August 07, 2011, 05:04:38 PM
Not sure what the production weight difference is....I originally thought that my AST Coast Runner was not much more than my 12-6 Freerace, which weighs a fraction under 30 lbs  (13.6kg's)....not.  The very convenient side handles apparently twisted my mind into thinking so....

The AST Coast Runner that I have weighs in at a bit under 36lbs....pretty well what the website now says.... I kinda wish that I coughed up the money for the carbon version. 

If you can afford it, go for the carbon board.   I wish that I had.  And seeing as how that Starboard is not doing a 16' board next year ( >:(), then I'm thinking I'll buy another Coast Runner.........................................a Carbon one!

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